7-10pm? Man, you got it easy. People around here go from 4pm (when the
kids get home from school), slight lull around 6pm (dinner time) and
then right back up until midnight when the kids are forced to go to bed,
and then the parents (and probably still some of the kids) finally quit
around 1-1:30am.
Next week I fear school closings due to snow and/or sub-zero wind chill.
Back in my school days, we still had to go when it was 0F, without wind
chill. So did my parents in their day, plus "up hill both ways" but at
least they had alcohol to warm them up, and a hit of acid and a joint on
their trek.
On 12/10/2016 7:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This reminds me of the reversible express lanes on Lake Shore Drive in
Chicago. It depends on knowing that more people want to go one way in
the morning and the other way in the evening. Globally. The only
predictable pattern like that in our business might be to make the
up/down ratio more asymmetric in the evening when the residential
customers are watching video, and more symmetric during the day for
business customers and in the middle of the night for cloud backup.
But it really doesn’t matter except at peak usage times (again,
globally, not just one tower with atypical customer traffic), so you
might as well set your up/down ratio for 7-10 pm.
PTP is different, some links don’t interfere with any other links and
don’t need sync, so they can use dynamic up/down ratio. Cambium
PTP500/600/650 has that mode, I’m surprised airFiber-X doesn’t. I end
up setting mine at 50% because they are mostly in rings and you want
the traffic to be able to go either way around the ring in case of a
failure.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation
requires everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at
opposition. Making them work together likely means sacrificing so
much of one or maybe both of them as to make them almost useless.
In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it.
On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Why?
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Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not
just waiting for someone to do it right.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
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I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-)
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On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but
if someone does it, great.
Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though.
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Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it.
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On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps
one of the SDN technologies could manage the ratios. I'll
admit that I haven't done much with OpenDayLight, but
something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse.
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That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6
POPs around you do the same thing?
bp
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On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out
updates every so often to change at a certain time
slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. Once a minute?
Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be
infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight
settings that it goes among? Maybe you mark some
devices as priority so their needs weighted more
greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting
contention in a given direction, move up to the next
ratio at that next time slot.
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*Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM
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I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single
transmission, you could
come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that
would be synced and
dynamic.
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From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust.
bp
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On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform,
though. Hopefully
> someone gets this some day.
