I did read your set framing idea. In theory that should work as long as you have some central controller so that all GPS grouped APs are accounted for and so that they all only change until they all know they should. Then you have to decide what APs are in what group. I. Guess they could all be in one group. Might be an issue with a large number.
There would have to be some kind of flapping routine to make sure APs don't flip back and forth. I am not sure all the complexity is worth it. On Dec 10, 2016 8:22 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > Say you have 9 settings from 10/90 up to 90/10. All APs are reporting > frame utilization back to a central controller. When half+1 of them are > maxed on upload or download, the controller tells them all to move up or > down one setting at some time slot well enough after all APs should have > gotten the message (or maybe require a confirmation). They all change > ratios at that same time slot. The controller waits some amount of time > before deciding to move again if necessary. It doesn't need to change per > packet or even per second. If it changed once a minute or once every five > minutes, that would be far more granularity than we have now. > > If you're friendly with another WISP and you want to interconnect > controllers for the purpose of sharing ratio information, then great. > Otherwise, rock on. > > > Implementation surely isn't easy, but the concept shouldn't be difficult. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 7:23:32 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > This reminds me of the reversible express lanes on Lake Shore Drive in > Chicago. It depends on knowing that more people want to go one way in the > morning and the other way in the evening. Globally. The only predictable > pattern like that in our business might be to make the up/down ratio more > asymmetric in the evening when the residential customers are watching > video, and more symmetric during the day for business customers and in the > middle of the night for cloud backup. But it really doesn’t matter except > at peak usage times (again, globally, not just one tower with atypical > customer traffic), so you might as well set your up/down ratio for 7-10 pm. > > > > PTP is different, some links don’t interfere with any other links and > don’t need sync, so they can use dynamic up/down ratio. Cambium > PTP500/600/650 has that mode, I’m surprised airFiber-X doesn’t. I end up > setting mine at 50% because they are mostly in rings and you want the > traffic to be able to go either way around the ring in case of a failure. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:47 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > Syncing requires everything working together. Dynamic allocation requires > everything working as each AP sees is best. The two are at opposition. > Making them work together likely means sacrificing so much of one or maybe > both of them as to make them almost useless. > > In no engineer and notably ignorant but that is how I see it. > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016, 5:30 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Why? > > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:50:23 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Seems like fool’s gold, the concept is fundamentally flawed, not just > waiting for someone to do it right. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:22 PM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > > > I'm not throwing vinegar. Just being an honest skeptic. ;-) > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 12/10/2016 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > That's fine. It's not something I'm holding my breath on, but if someone > does it, great. > > Throwing vinegar on it won't help, though. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> <part15...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:19:00 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Great in theory. I'll believe it when I see it. > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 12/10/2016 2:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > It's system-wide. The controller is in your NOC. Perhaps one of the SDN > technologies could manage the ratios. I'll admit that I haven't done much > with OpenDayLight, but something like this fits into it's hype wheelhouse. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> <part15...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 4:13:38 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > That's OK for maybe one POP. How do you make sure the 6 POPs around you do > the same thing? > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 12/10/2016 2:09 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > Controller knows system-wide what's up and sends out updates every so > often to change at a certain time slot. It doesn't have to be real-time. > Once a minute? Once every five minutes? It doesn't even need to be > infinitely variable. Maybe there's four to eight settings that it goes > among? Maybe you mark some devices as priority so their needs weighted more > greatly, but otherwise if half the system is hitting contention in a given > direction, move up to the next ratio at that next time slot. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Saturday, December 10, 2016 3:48:15 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > I suppose if you negotiate ratio on every single transmission, you could > come up with a terribly inefficient protocol that would be synced and > dynamic. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Prince > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? > > Synced dynamic ratio is pure fairy dust. > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 12/10/2016 1:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > attempting to have a synced dynamic ratio platform, though. Hopefully > > someone gets this some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
