So 30 years of generating power - (certain maintenance types + production resource usage)
I can't see that not being not only carbon neutral, but carbon negative. On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:30 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > the turbines here are on 20 year renewing land leases with an expected > removal at the 30 year mark if theyre still in production > > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: >> >> "The manufacturing, transportation, and erection of these things is >> not offset by the gains, its a net carbon loss at the end of the day." >> >> I haven't seen any data that corroborates that statement. You >> basically have to look at how long they plan for them to run, the >> power generated during that time, include maintenance, and compare >> that to the cost to manufacture and erect. >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > realistic dependency reduction is something we havent seen, regulating >> > industries out of buisines or to the point consumers cannot afford >> > things is >> > not the way to go. >> > Imagine how many of these millions of windmills we have in the US >> > without >> > huge consumptions of oil. exactly zero. The manufacturing, >> > transportation, >> > and erection of these things is not offset by the gains, its a net >> > carbon >> > loss at the end of the day. They dont even account for the technician >> > carbon >> > footprint driving from turbine to turbine. I would like to see an actual >> > report on the oil cost per turbine, taking into account all factors, >> > including the oil for fedex to deliver replacement parts, and oil >> > consumption in rope and rigging. >> > >> > Solar is a joke en mass, from a carbon perspective, especially here >> > where >> > all our power comes from nuclear. >> > >> > hydroelectric, maybe not a whole lod of oil consumption, but ecological >> > impact is catastrophic, what do we have now 2 salmon variants >> > >> > shut it all down >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> That's a pretty irrational stance to take, being 100% against a >> >> resource I >> >> mean. >> >> >> >> It is not irrational to reduce dependency on anything though, for a >> >> variety of reasons. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 10:08 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> > Try to make industrial amounts of electricity without oil. Even >> >> > hydroelectric turbines need lube. Transformers are filled with oil. >> >> > If >> >> > you >> >> > are against oil, be against oil. >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds >> >> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:58 AM >> >> > To: af@afmug.com >> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread >> >> > >> >> > I'm trying to figure out what electricity has to do with oil from >> >> > your >> >> > statement. >> >> > >> >> > You can also make a decision to reduce oil consumption where logical. >> >> > This would be a good thing from a monetary and national defense >> >> > standpoint among other things. >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:55 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Being against oil but using oil... >> >> >> Think FedEx can do its thing without oil? >> >> >> >> >> >> If you are truly against oil, stop using it. >> >> >> Go to the forest. No kerosene lamps, deer fat tallow candles >> >> >> perhaps. >> >> >> No guns, takes oil to make guns... >> >> >> >> >> >> etc >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds >> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 8:53 AM >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread >> >> >> >> >> >> Would you mind clarifying the follow a bit? Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> "Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx." >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:32 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I like driving my gas and diesel vehicles. >> >> >>> I like the products derived from oil like the jacket on CAT 5 cable >> >> >>> and >> >> >>> printed circuit boards. >> >> >>> I like the price of oil to be as low as possible. >> >> >>> I prefer having sources in this hemisphere and not funding the Arab >> >> >>> world. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I too have built many miles of copper and fiber over public and >> >> >>> tribal >> >> >>> lands. I have gone through the exact same NEPA and FLPMA process >> >> >>> as >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> pipeline many many times. I consider myself a NEPA expert and am >> >> >>> currently >> >> >>> advising the US Senate on ways to make that process work faster. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Pissing and moaning that folks with more money than you are >> >> >>> building a >> >> >>> pipe >> >> >>> to make even more money than you sounds like sour grapes and >> >> >>> jealousy. >> >> >>> If >> >> >>> you are against the “commons” don’t use common frequencies. Don’t >> >> >>> use >> >> >>> ROWs. >> >> >>> Don’t use electricity. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I don’t get several things: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Being against oil but using electricity and vehicles and FedEx. >> >> >>> Being against certain forms of arguably safer and more efficient >> >> >>> oil >> >> >>> transportation. >> >> >>> Being against certain rich people doing business but attempting to >> >> >>> become >> >> >>> a >> >> >>> richer person yourself. >> >> >>> Being against the use of public and private ROWs for oil pipelines >> >> >>> but >> >> >>> not >> >> >>> for water pipelines, natural gas pipelines, sewers, fiber cables or >> >> >>> electric. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> And being a second or third generation wanna-be 1960s social >> >> >>> justice >> >> >>> warrior >> >> >>> going thousands of miles to hang with other like minded people and >> >> >>> think >> >> >>> you >> >> >>> are really doing anything be being cold, being an ass, being stupid >> >> >>> and >> >> >>> wasting your time and the resources of local, state and federal >> >> >>> authorities. >> >> >>> Those folks are punks. (Their parents probably have BA in liberal >> >> >>> arts). >> >> >>> >> >> >>> And yes, BTW, I too have made deals with tribes. It is as Lewis >> >> >>> describes. >> >> >>> You make the deal, you pay the money and more often than not when >> >> >>> tribal >> >> >>> leadership changes, the deal no longer exists and you have another >> >> >>> round >> >> >>> of >> >> >>> payola. I have native American heritage in my blood. Don’t get all >> >> >>> butt >> >> >>> hurt when I say it is called “indian giving” for a reason. Tribes >> >> >>> have >> >> >>> communal property. You never own anything, you just possess it for >> >> >>> a >> >> >>> time >> >> >>> until some other tribal member decides they need it. That spills >> >> >>> over >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> dealing with non tribal members. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> > as >> > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
