I don't understand what you are saying. You seem to be saying that the
percentage increase is the same from 2006 to now. I'm not debating
that. I'm pointing out WHY that number is the way it is, and why that
25% figure is additive to all years since.
Well, being counted as one incident is how most of (if not the rest
of) the world does it. Sweden's method of reporting is simply weird.
It's like, imagine as a real estate agent trying to collect a
commission on each property walk through and not each sale. Also count
each walk through by the same person or group as an individual sale
for the sake of commission, but not an actual transfer of property.
On Feb 21, 2017 7:31 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com
<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
It's why I picked 2006...because people like to throw out this
ridiculous argument. If the way it was reported was the same in
2006 and now, then the percentage of increase is the same. Are you
suggesting that being raped 15 times in a night should only be
counted once? I mean, what the hell, it can't be any more
traumatic than just 1, right? And people like to call
conservatives pigs?
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
Further clarification:
One study of rape in Swedish cases covering the years from
2002 to 2007, done in 2009, showed that Sweden had a rate of
reported rapes (counted in international rape figures) double
that of England. 53% of which where the cases were thrown out
before court started due to insufficient evidence... And then
there's that 13% conviction rate.
6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient
evidence to convict.
On Feb 20, 2017 10:29 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
<j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
In 2005 they changed the way they report rape.
First, they count each REPORT, before an investigation has
been done.
Secondly, they count each act against an individual as
separate counts of rape instead of one.
Let's say a female at a rave reported being raped by 15
individuals one night. That would be counted as 15
individual reports of rape.
Or, if a gay man says he was raped over 200 times over the
course of a year, that would be counted as 200 unique
counts of rape.
There is also the year to account for, as a rape committed
say in 2007 but reported in say 2014 would be added to
2014 totals under Swedish law.
In 1992 in Sweden the legal definition of rape was widened
to often include what many countries would consider sexual
assaults, which led to a 25% increase in "rape" being
reported.
It's also important to look at the number of people in
Sweden at the times give the reports. From 2005 there were
around 9.02 million in Sweden. In 2015 there were 9.78, or
an increase of 760,000 people.
Also look at conviction rates. In 2007 for instance, less
than 13% of those in Sweden accused of rape ended up being
convicted.
You can't look at this from just one side. People need to
be objective and do actual research from multiple sources,
in the most unbiased way possible.
On Feb 20, 2017 9:58 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com
<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
Or you could do the research yourself. Based on stats
from the Swedish government, in 2006, presumably
before there were refugees, there were 4208 rapes. In
2014 there were 6700 rapes. That right there is a
62.8% increase and doesn't take into account the last
two years. Another stat shows that 77% of those were
committed by men who were foreign born. They also
currently have like the 6th highest rate of rape per
capita in the world and highest by far of any western
country. There is always this article which appears to
be in favor of the immigration.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival
<https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival>
And tonight, there are riots in Stockholm.
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64311
<http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64311>
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/meanwhile-rioting-breaks-out-sweden
<http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/meanwhile-rioting-breaks-out-sweden>
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:10 PM, SmarterBroadband
<li...@sbb.net <mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
Stop listening to alt-facts, fake news.
Politifact says that is not true.
If we look specifically at sex offences, which the
Fox News segment highlighted, there were 18,100
sex offenses reported to the police in 2015, down
11 percent from 2014, according to theSwedish
National Council for Crime Prevention
<https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html>.
The number of rapes reported decreased 12 percent
between 2014 and 2015, to 5,920, the agency
reported. The council noted that in Sweden, when a
single case is reported, every incident associated
with the case is also reported as an offense
during the same year.
The amount of reported rape offenses has gone up
in the last 10 years (2006-15), which the agency
said can be partially attributed to new
legislation in 2005 that augmented the types of
acts that can be classified as rape.
"The effect of the statutory change appeared in
the statistics such that the number of reported
offences in respect of sexual coercion and
exploitation declined in the years immediately
following the statutory change while the number of
reported rapes increased," according to the
agency. In 2013, a rape offense was broadened "to
include cases where the victim reacts passively."
And on crime
"In general, crime statistics have gone down the
last (few) years, and no there is no evidence to
suggest that new waves of immigration has lead to
increased crime,"
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of
*Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 2:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
I think any rational person who has followed the
news about the refugee situation in Europe would
have figured out exactly what he meant. A 70%
increase in rapes in the last couple years in
Sweden is a pretty good indication that there is a
problem there. If any city, let alone our whole
country, had seen this much of an increase, you
know you'd be hearing about it. Swedish
authorities took a lot of heat for covering up the
number of assaults recently at the Stockholm Music
Festival, but I don't think to many news outlets
over here even reported it.
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
2 & 2 is 22, give the guy some credit
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 2:30 PM To:
af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
No. He heard "something" on Fox about
"something" in Sweden. He put 2 and 2 together
and got 11.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/20/2017 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I am guessing something happened in some
other country and he got confused.
Or, better yet, he was spilling the beans
on some kind of intelligence without thinking.
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics
Is that what happened in Sweden? Sweden!
Sweden? Sweden!
Really? Sweden?!?
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 2/20/2017 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
From the news:
Russia's ambassador to the United
Nations . . . died suddenly after
falling ill Monday in his office at
the mission.
We all know what that means...
