Were you figuring on doing this lashed or
just the flat drop cable? I've got a couple
scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct
flat drop, but the only way I can think of
to get it in the air is by using wedge
clamps. Not sure if these are good for the
distance between some of the utility poles
out there.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the idea is you can run a 12
strand aerial cable down a rural road.
Since you're using this skinny cable,
you can use a $40 closure to put a PON
coupler in front of the customer prem.
My quick estimate is the difference
might be around $6,000 per
mile.....that changes with assumptions
on how many houses are on that mile and
so on....maybe $4k to $6k is fairer.
I don't have pricing from Calix. I'm
looking at Alphion...the ONT is pretty
close to a routerboard. The OLT is a
lot more than a mikrotik switch, but
cost per customer port (assuming 1:16
PON) is on par with a mid grade switch.
It's more than mikrotik, less than
Juniper. I can't share numbers due to
NDA, but that's the idea.
We're looking at doing a whole rural
town with 50 miles of road and 300
households. I haven't gotten down to
brass tacks yet, but on the surface it
seems like the savings is enough to buy
a really nice bucket truck.
-Adam
------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Years ago, there was a break even
point on active vs PON. If you had
16 or more in an area that could
take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs
Calix PON. If you do AE like
Sterling I don't think PON is ever
cost effective compared to Calix PON.
With PON you still have to have a
drop to each home. The cost of the
cable is in the placement, not in
the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you
place the splitter vs where do you
place the switch and SFPs.
Personally, I would do it Sterling
style on new greenfield. The ONLY
reason I do it with the expensive
PON is we are a regulated common
carrier with provider of last
resort obligations. I have to give
POTS that is battery backed up,
legally required to do this.
Cannot risk a 911 call not going
through due to a power outage etc.
Cannot trust the customer to not
unplug a UPS.
-----Original Message----- From:
Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the
next research project for me to
tackle.
It seems like there ought to be
savings with PON because of lower fiber
count.....lower fiber count ought
to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too. I
haven't gotten that far yet, but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with
PON. You're saying maybe not?
------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
I would be worried that it will
go the way of some of their
other ideas.
Cheap... you get what you pay for.
FTTH, I would rather pay more
and know it will be solid and
be around in the years to come.
Not an area where you want to
scrimp. If you want to scrimp
go active ethernet.
-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017
12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small
Scale PON
Well....I have to build with
what's available today. If I
delay to wait
for the next hot product, I'll
always be waiting.
Besides, I honestly don't know
what Ubiquiti brings to the
table that
other vendors don't. I suppose
it will be cost competitive,
but that's
less important to me than
having it just work.
-Adam
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jon Langeler"
<jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small
Scale PON
With ubiquiti shipping real
soon, you might want to wait
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Mar 27, 2017, at
2:47 PM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I asked the Alphion
sales rep about this.
He says the optics are
coded, yes. As far as
mixing ONT from one
vendor with an OLT from
another he said in
essence GPON is a
standard, but it isn't
usually tested across
vendors so whether it
works fine, works with
bugs, or doesn't work
at all is going to be a
matter of chance.
------ Original Message
------
From: fiber...@mail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG]
Small Scale PON
No, generally
speaking there is
no crossvendor
compatibility with
GPON.
Jared
