Gotcha. What sort of pricing are you getting on the 12 strand figure-8? I've been using ADSS up to this point since I can get closer to the neutral with it, but figure-8 might work in some new deployment scenarios.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > Figure-8 drop. > > Flat drop cable at $0.16/foot would certainly be cost attractive, but I > assumed it can't go 500' aerial....some poles are that far apart. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');>> > To: "af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>" < > af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> > Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > > Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable? I've > got a couple scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct flat drop, but the > only way I can think of to get it in the air is by using wedge clamps. Not > sure if these are good for the distance between some of the utility poles > out there. > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> I think the idea is you can run a 12 strand aerial cable down a rural >> road. Since you're using this skinny cable, you can use a $40 closure to >> put a PON coupler in front of the customer prem. >> >> My quick estimate is the difference might be around $6,000 per >> mile.....that changes with assumptions on how many houses are on that mile >> and so on....maybe $4k to $6k is fairer. >> >> I don't have pricing from Calix. I'm looking at Alphion...the ONT is >> pretty close to a routerboard. The OLT is a lot more than a mikrotik >> switch, but cost per customer port (assuming 1:16 PON) is on par with a mid >> grade switch. It's more than mikrotik, less than Juniper. I can't share >> numbers due to NDA, but that's the idea. >> >> We're looking at doing a whole rural town with 50 miles of road and 300 >> households. I haven't gotten down to brass tacks yet, but on the surface >> it seems like the savings is enough to buy a really nice bucket truck. >> >> -Adam >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >> >> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had 16 >>> or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON. >>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON. If you do AE like >>> Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON. >>> >>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home. The cost of the >>> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself. >>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you >>> place the switch and SFPs. Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new >>> greenfield. The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a >>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations. I have >>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this. >>> >>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. >>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>> >>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to >>> tackle. >>> >>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber >>> count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures. >>> Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I >>> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not? >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>> >>> I would be worried that it will go the way of some of their other ideas. >>>> Cheap... you get what you pay for. >>>> >>>> FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around >>>> in the years to come. >>>> Not an area where you want to scrimp. If you want to scrimp go active >>>> ethernet. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> Well....I have to build with what's available today. If I delay to wait >>>> for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting. >>>> >>>> Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that >>>> other vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's >>>> less important to me than having it just work. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait >>>>> >>>>> Jon Langeler >>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics are >>>>>> coded, yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from >>>>>> another >>>>>> he said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested across >>>>>> vendors so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at all >>>>>> is going to be a matter of chance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> From: fiber...@mail.com >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>> >>>>>> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with >>>>>>> GPON. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jared >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>
