So, other ONTs will work? The beta store is sold out of the Ubiquiti ONTs every time I check.
On Friday, March 31, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: > The UBNT equipment is plain GPON standard. Works on other GPON > equipment. ZTE included. > > Regards, > Chuck > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');>> wrote: > >> I've got a couple reels of 3/8" steel cable. Definitely not light stuff... >> >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >>> 1/4" steel cable + drop cable + jacketing >>> >>> 2+2 = 7 >>> >>> I'm sure that's not the bottom price, but it's not too far out of whack >>> either. >>> >>> Figure-8 is also wicked heavy. The spool weight will surprise you. >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 3/29/2017 1:01:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>> >>> Yikes, I've bought 72 strand ADSS for less than that. >>> >>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The most recent quote I got was $0.83/ft. >>>> It's way expensive, but no separate messenger strand. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:54:27 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> Gotcha. What sort of pricing are you getting on the 12 strand figure-8? >>>> I've been using ADSS up to this point since I can get closer to the neutral >>>> with it, but figure-8 might work in some new deployment scenarios. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Figure-8 drop. >>>>> >>>>> Flat drop cable at $0.16/foot would certainly be cost attractive, but >>>>> I assumed it can't go 500' aerial....some poles are that far apart. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>> >>>>> Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable? >>>>> I've got a couple scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct flat drop, >>>>> but >>>>> the only way I can think of to get it in the air is by using wedge clamps. >>>>> Not sure if these are good for the distance between some of the utility >>>>> poles out there. >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think the idea is you can run a 12 strand aerial cable down a rural >>>>>> road. Since you're using this skinny cable, you can use a $40 closure to >>>>>> put a PON coupler in front of the customer prem. >>>>>> >>>>>> My quick estimate is the difference might be around $6,000 per >>>>>> mile.....that changes with assumptions on how many houses are on that >>>>>> mile >>>>>> and so on....maybe $4k to $6k is fairer. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't have pricing from Calix. I'm looking at Alphion...the ONT is >>>>>> pretty close to a routerboard. The OLT is a lot more than a mikrotik >>>>>> switch, but cost per customer port (assuming 1:16 PON) is on par with a >>>>>> mid >>>>>> grade switch. It's more than mikrotik, less than Juniper. I can't share >>>>>> numbers due to NDA, but that's the idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> We're looking at doing a whole rural town with 50 miles of road and >>>>>> 300 households. I haven't gotten down to brass tacks yet, but on the >>>>>> surface it seems like the savings is enough to buy a really nice bucket >>>>>> truck. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>> >>>>>> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had >>>>>>> 16 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON. >>>>>>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON. If you do AE like >>>>>>> Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home. The cost of >>>>>>> the cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself. >>>>>>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you >>>>>>> place the switch and SFPs. Personally, I would do it Sterling style on >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> greenfield. The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a >>>>>>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations. I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. >>>>>>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to >>>>>>> tackle. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower >>>>>>> fiber >>>>>>> count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper >>>>>>> enclosures. >>>>>>> Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I >>>>>>> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would be worried that it will go the way of some of their other >>>>>>>> ideas. >>>>>>>> Cheap... you get what you pay for. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be >>>>>>>> around in the years to come. >>>>>>>> Not an area where you want to scrimp. If you want to scrimp go >>>>>>>> active ethernet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well....I have to build with what's available today. If I delay to >>>>>>>> wait >>>>>>>> for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> other vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive, but >>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>> less important to me than having it just work. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jon Langeler >>>>>>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics >>>>>>>>>> are coded, yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT >>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> another he said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually >>>>>>>>>> tested >>>>>>>>>> across vendors so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't >>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>> at all is going to be a matter of chance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>>> From: fiber...@mail.com >>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility >>>>>>>>>>> with GPON. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jared >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >
