Yikes, I've bought 72 strand ADSS for less than that. On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The most recent quote I got was $0.83/ft. > It's way expensive, but no separate messenger strand. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');>> > To: "af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>" < > af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> > Sent: 3/29/2017 11:54:27 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > > Gotcha. What sort of pricing are you getting on the 12 strand figure-8? > I've been using ADSS up to this point since I can get closer to the neutral > with it, but figure-8 might work in some new deployment scenarios. > > On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Figure-8 drop. >> >> Flat drop cable at $0.16/foot would certainly be cost attractive, but I >> assumed it can't go 500' aerial....some poles are that far apart. >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >> >> Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable? I've >> got a couple scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct flat drop, but the >> only way I can think of to get it in the air is by using wedge clamps. Not >> sure if these are good for the distance between some of the utility poles >> out there. >> >> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I think the idea is you can run a 12 strand aerial cable down a rural >>> road. Since you're using this skinny cable, you can use a $40 closure to >>> put a PON coupler in front of the customer prem. >>> >>> My quick estimate is the difference might be around $6,000 per >>> mile.....that changes with assumptions on how many houses are on that mile >>> and so on....maybe $4k to $6k is fairer. >>> >>> I don't have pricing from Calix. I'm looking at Alphion...the ONT is >>> pretty close to a routerboard. The OLT is a lot more than a mikrotik >>> switch, but cost per customer port (assuming 1:16 PON) is on par with a mid >>> grade switch. It's more than mikrotik, less than Juniper. I can't share >>> numbers due to NDA, but that's the idea. >>> >>> We're looking at doing a whole rural town with 50 miles of road and 300 >>> households. I haven't gotten down to brass tacks yet, but on the surface >>> it seems like the savings is enough to buy a really nice bucket truck. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>> >>> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had 16 >>>> or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON. >>>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON. If you do AE like >>>> Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON. >>>> >>>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home. The cost of the >>>> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself. >>>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you >>>> place the switch and SFPs. Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new >>>> greenfield. The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a >>>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations. I have >>>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this. >>>> >>>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. >>>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to >>>> tackle. >>>> >>>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber >>>> count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures. >>>> Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I >>>> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> I would be worried that it will go the way of some of their other >>>>> ideas. >>>>> Cheap... you get what you pay for. >>>>> >>>>> FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around >>>>> in the years to come. >>>>> Not an area where you want to scrimp. If you want to scrimp go active >>>>> ethernet. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>> >>>>> Well....I have to build with what's available today. If I delay to >>>>> wait >>>>> for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting. >>>>> >>>>> Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that >>>>> other vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's >>>>> less important to me than having it just work. >>>>> >>>>> -Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>> >>>>> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait >>>>>> >>>>>> Jon Langeler >>>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics are >>>>>>> coded, yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from >>>>>>> another >>>>>>> he said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested >>>>>>> across >>>>>>> vendors so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> is going to be a matter of chance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: fiber...@mail.com >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with >>>>>>>> GPON. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jared >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>
