Some figure 8 has a solid stainless steel wire rather than the cable.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
1/4" steel cable + drop cable + jacketing
2+2 = 7
I'm sure that's not the bottom price, but it's not too far out of whack either.
Figure-8 is also wicked heavy. The spool weight will surprise you.
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From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 3/29/2017 1:01:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Yikes, I've bought 72 strand ADSS for less than that.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
The most recent quote I got was $0.83/ft.
It's way expensive, but no separate messenger strand.
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From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 3/29/2017 11:54:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Gotcha. What sort of pricing are you getting on the 12 strand figure-8?
I've been using ADSS up to this point since I can get closer to the neutral
with it, but figure-8 might work in some new deployment scenarios.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Figure-8 drop.
Flat drop cable at $0.16/foot would certainly be cost attractive, but I
assumed it can't go 500' aerial....some poles are that far apart.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable?
I've got a couple scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct flat drop, but the
only way I can think of to get it in the air is by using wedge clamps. Not sure
if these are good for the distance between some of the utility poles out there.
On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I think the idea is you can run a 12 strand aerial cable down a
rural road. Since you're using this skinny cable, you can use a $40 closure to
put a PON coupler in front of the customer prem.
My quick estimate is the difference might be around $6,000 per
mile.....that changes with assumptions on how many houses are on that mile and
so on....maybe $4k to $6k is fairer.
I don't have pricing from Calix. I'm looking at Alphion...the ONT
is pretty close to a routerboard. The OLT is a lot more than a mikrotik
switch, but cost per customer port (assuming 1:16 PON) is on par with a mid
grade switch. It's more than mikrotik, less than Juniper. I can't share
numbers due to NDA, but that's the idea.
We're looking at doing a whole rural town with 50 miles of road and
300 households. I haven't gotten down to brass tacks yet, but on the surface
it seems like the savings is enough to buy a really nice bucket truck.
-Adam
------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you
had 16 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON. If you do AE like
Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
With PON you still have to have a drop to each home. The cost of
the cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do
you place the switch and SFPs. Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new
greenfield. The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a
regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations. I have to
give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage
etc. Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
-----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me
to
tackle.
It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower
fiber
count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper
enclosures.
Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet,
but I
was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not?
------ Original Message ------
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
I would be worried that it will go the way of some of their
other ideas.
Cheap... you get what you pay for.
FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be
around in the years to come.
Not an area where you want to scrimp. If you want to scrimp go
active ethernet.
-----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
Well....I have to build with what's available today. If I
delay to wait
for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.
Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the
table that
other vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive,
but that's
less important to me than having it just work.
-Adam
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the
optics are coded, yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from
another he said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested
across vendors so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at
all is going to be a matter of chance.
------ Original Message ------
From: fiber...@mail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor
compatibility with GPON.
Jared
