Gamers have to actually get in a RR car and physically fight.  Much more 
realistic and very low latency.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 11:06 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bulk data transfer

The gamers won't like the latency at all...


On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Time to invest in RR stock.  Screw fiber.  

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 10:33 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bulk data transfer

  Well, assuming that the rail was moving at a similar speed to the trucks - 
say 60MPH, And the rail cars were ~60 feet in length, and had the same volume 
as the 53 foot truck. 

  60MPH = 316,800 FPH / 60 Feet = 5280 Railcars per hour, 88 railcars per 
minute, 1.46666 rail cars per second.

  Once the first one arrived, you'd have a continous feed of 26857.6Pbit/S

  Get to work on the automatic tape transcription device.  You only need to 
write ~557,136 tapes per second, and don't forget loading them on the train...



  On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

    No, what would it be if you had continuous railcar transport???  We could 
eliminate all the fiber with railroads!

    From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
    Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 10:15 AM
    To: af 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bulk data transfer

    Chicago to LA is 30 hours by truck. 

    Typical 53 foot trailer is 3816 cubic feet.

    A LTO-7 tape can hold 6TB
    The volume of a LTO-7 tape is just under 0.01 cubic foot (0.00839973....)  
We'll use 0.01 cubic foot.

    A 53 foot trailer packed completely full can hold 381600 Tapes X 6TB = 
2,289,600TB, or 2289 PB.

    2,289,600TB/30hours = 76320TB/hr.
    or
    1272TB/min
    or
    21.2TB/sec.
    or
    169.6Tbit/second.






    On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> 
wrote:

      I can't remember which but there was a nanog presentation a few years ago 
about max bandwidth and the top of the chart was still listed as a 747 cargo 
full of optical media..   Now as far as getting that data on and off the 
media....

      On 04/17/2017 07:36 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

        For the seed you need to understand this quote:

        "/Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes
        hurtling down the highway/." —Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1989). Computer
        Networks. New Jersey: Prentice-Hall. p. 57. ISBN 0-13-166836-6.

        I'd highly recommend you think about how to move that seed via Fedex or
        UPS.    You're already going to be storing the data somewhere, if
        possible, take whatever it is your storing it on (or backing it up on)
        to the origin location and copy it to it.... *then* ship it to and
        install it in your datacenter.   It is likely that the cost of doing
        this will actually be less than the cost of buying a circuit which will
        do this in a reasonable amount of time, especially if you are buying a
        piece of hardware to store this data (likely).

        For the updates,  4pb per year is just over 1Mb/s if I did the math
        correctly....   This is in the realm of normal internet, assuming the
        data grows gradually throughout a year.

        I'll let others point you toward a 10Gig wave if you'd rather not use
        the "move media" approach.


        On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:04 AM, Zach Underwood <zunder1...@gmail.com
        <mailto:zunder1...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            I work for a medical data company and we have a possible project
            where will be getting data from a human genome company. What would
            be a option for move the data between our datacenter and there
            datacenter? We are in the southeast and they are in the midwest. The
            data amount would be a seed of 5pb and growth of 4pb per year. The
            networking on our side would be 100gbit LAN.

            --
            Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
            My website <http://zachunderwood.me>
            advance-networking.com <http://advance-networking.com>




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