Yep and also the materials matter a lot. No FR4 for these babies... On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:59 AM Chuck McCown <[email protected]> wrote:
> All antenna designs scale. Things are just much smaller at this > frequency. > > *From:* Joe Novak > *Sent:* Monday, May 08, 2017 7:39 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? > I have read that building a 60ghz antenna is a whole new ball game of > complicated compared to other bands. Until recently 60ghz antennas where > built SOC style, directly on the PCB of the board next to or on the radio > itself. I believe this may actually still be the case. Ignitenet's design > is based on this smartly utilizing some tricks in the 'feed horn' of the > radio from what I recall. I can't find the articles I was reading of > course, but it came up when people had taken apart the Ignitenet radio and > saw the usb dongle that was used, however, for cost effective 60ghz I'm not > sure what else exists for the market. > On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Jason McKemie < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> The power taps are what would kill anything but a very dense deployment. >> Anything less and you'd be better off just running fiber. > > >> >> On Monday, May 8, 2017, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I think the 30 degree sector Ignitenet has is something like 18dbi, vs >>> 25dbi for their bigger directional... I tried to get a pair of Metrolinqs >>> to work at just under a mile (which should theoretically work), but I never >>> could get them to link. I tested at about half that distance and it worked >>> fine... I don't remember what the signal was, but I thought at the time >>> that it would probably link with 17dbi less antenna. Even so, 1000' should >>> be workable, which still has a lot of potential. I've been toying with the >>> idea of putting them on street lights - I'm thinking you could do something >>> like one 30 degree sector at the end of each street and cover a block or >>> two. >>> >>> Heck, even if you only figured 500'-1000', you could build a network >>> pretty cheaply using street lights. >>> >>> Of course it is only going to be useful in pretty specific areas... at >>> the majority of our towers 60ghz is going to be completely worthless, but I >>> can certainly find places where it would work. >>> >> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> Even if it existed 2000 ft is wildly optimistic. 60 GHz works at 600 >>>> meters (just about 2000 ft for you Americans) between two PTP dishes >>>> because you have 44-45dBi gain dishes on both ends. Would not be the case >>>> with any sort of 60 GHz sector antenna, you'd be looking at much less gain. >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Very location specific. None of our towers would be able to serve >>>>> anyone with that kind of range. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/8/2017 2:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Indeed... don't underestimate what can be done with a 2000' range. I >>>>> can probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where >>>>> I'm sitting. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I concur >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM >>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Lots. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Lots of places. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I’ve got, and can get fiber up main roads in neighborhoods very >>>>>> easily. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What costs me is the last mile backbone that winds across streets and >>>>>> through ROW in front of houses etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is the majority of my costs right there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If I can get in with ‘normal’ wireless pricing per AP/CPE but at >>>>>> 1000Mbps I can do the hybrid model easily at much less costs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It will be amazing for potential customers at the moment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Might not hold up over time as bandwidth needs increase, but provides >>>>>> an immediate solution at a fraction of the cost of fiber, with the ‘feel’ >>>>>> of fiber. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Colin >>>>>> Stanners >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a >>>>>> maximum of 1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does not work? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini* >>>>>> President >>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What am I missing here? >>>>>> >>>>>> Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio >>>>>> architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a >>>>>> 60GHz >>>>>> radio instead of 5Ghz? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later >>>>>> protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> -- Harold Bledsoe
