Slovenia has free college tuition for everyone irrespective of nationality.  
Just send the kid there.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

My nephews grandfather is a Saudi, there apparently is some government program 
over there that pays for saudi kids to attend college here, his mother is doing 
something in that regard. I wonder if I could register this kid there and get 
in on that

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I've heard tell of a local man working in the construction trades who was 
born at home and has no documentation.  Apparently he likes it that way.  He 
works for cash and lives in a cabin on his parents' land.  I'm not saying it's 
the right way, but it's apparently an option.



  ------ Original Message ------
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance


    Social Security didn't have any linkage with the county health department. 
We had to send the birth certificate to them to get the SSN number. Sometimes 
that was years later.

    -----Original Message----- From: Robert
    Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:28 AM
    To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

    I thought the ssn was assigned even if the card isn't sent...

    On 5/12/17 9:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

      Yep, separate process.  At least back in the day when my kids were born.

      *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
      *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:13 AM
      *To:* af@afmug.com
      *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

      can you get a birth certificate without having to get the SSN registered?

      On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza
      <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

          72,73,74

          On May 12, 2017 10:08 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

              Until ICE deports them to Syria.

              *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
              *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:07 AM
              *To:* af@afmug.com
              *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

              If your kid becomes un-documented and never gets a SSN can they
              just fly under the radar of society and never pay taxes, get a
              drivers license, etc? That would be awesome.

              On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:02 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                  Go to the county health department.  They will record the
                  birth and get you a birth certificate (in Illinois).

                  *From:* Steve Jones
                  *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 8:25 AM
                  *To:* af@afmug.com
                  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance 


                  we had the existing 2 in the hospital, the first one had a
                  heart murmur because the doctor in all hi knowledge decided
                  to induce a month early, little runt guy my son was, but his
                  hole in his heart closed up and he outgrew his runtness. the
                  second one had an OB who was a man hating believer in
                  bedrest and refused to let my paramedic sister get her stork
                  pin.
                  The old lady wants to do it at home. My only issues with it
                  are the mess, the minimal risk of complication, and
                  primarily the paperwork the hospital handles, I don't know
                  how that works, do I just take the fresh spawn up to the
                  police station and get a sticker like a bicycle registration
                  or what? If I mess up the paperwork does my kid become an
                  illegal immigrant?

                  On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Kurt Fankhauser
                  <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

                      A customer of mine has 8 kids and and least 5 of them
                      were delivered at their house. They hired a midwife for
                      like $500 each time. It definitely is a lot cheaper than
                      hospitals around here are charging at least 8k-10k for
                      deliveries which I think is bull since childbirth is a
                      naturally occurring event in nature all the time. Some
                      women cant have a natural birth and need a C-section and
                      sometimes they don't always know that until the birth is
                      trying to happen. Maybe have the first one in the
                      hospital and if it can happen without a C-section then
                      have the other ones at home?

                      On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Chuck McCown
                      <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                          With a Leatherman Tool, all things are possible.


                          *From:* Lewis Bergman
                          *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:40 PM
                          *To:* af@afmug.com
                          *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

                          Chuck...that's just gross.

                          On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:28 AM Chuck McCown
                          <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                              I personally delivered 5 of my 8 kids at home.

                              *From:* Steve Jones
                              *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:09 PM
                              *To:* af@afmug.com
                              *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance 

                              Im pretty sure its the mail man again, shes a
                              pretty shady letter carrier :-)

                              Ive grown up in an ems family, two paramedics,
                              two emt  B and i was an emt I, two were also
                              firefighters.

                              Twice now the douchenozzle OB refused to let my
                              paramedic sister deliver for CE, note we are
                              (were at the time)literally the most advanced
                              ems system in the US. And this hospital was the
                              primary training facility. We figure we will
                              tell the OB doc we have this, we only need her
                              for her bloodwork and ultrasound, if they wont
                              give my sis the legally required joy, we will
                              get a dulla or however you spell it and pop the
                              kid in the living room, mother nature trumps
                              modern science in this regard.


                              There have to be a few of you who popped yer
                              youngins outside a hospital. Especially the guys
                              who are joe smith fans. 3 times out i think we
                              are the ones in charge.
                              On May 9, 2017 3:59 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
                              <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

                                  I hope you know the source of the
                                  infection...if not...awkward... Conrats!

                                  On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM Darren Shea
                                  <darr...@ecpi.com> wrote:

                                      Even after seeing the stick, it didn’t
                                      quite register until I re-read
                                      everything you’d typed in this thread -

                                      clever! Congratulations!____

                                      ____

                                      *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
                                      *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
                                      *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 10:56 AM


                                      *To:* af@afmug.com
                                      *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall
                                      maintenance____

                                      ____

                                      Hers the initial diagnostic output____

                                      ____

                                      On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve Jones"
                                      <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:____

                                      There is only one infected device. The
                                      malicious code that is replicating is
                                      directly attached to the command and
                                      control node. I know a lot of people
                                      would simply CleanSweep, but we just
                                      don't feel that is an appropriate step.
                                      There may be an IOT baby monitor that
                                      gets swept up in all this before its
                                      over in December. ____

                                      On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, David
                                      Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:____

                                      As any virus running on a network it has
                                      a pattern weather it be dormant on the
                                      network at times or not. ____

                                      Identify the pattern and where it is
                                      trying to phone home to and isolate it
                                      from phoning home. Then Clean sweep the
                                      machines you have control of.____

                                      The worst part of any of this is that
                                      IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs,
                                      tempature monitors and others) are the
                                      real threat as they have weak basic code
                                      that is open to the network.____

                                      Isolation will be your best bet. This
                                      will prevent DDOS attacks on one front
                                      but doesnt stop new viruses from
                                      entering.____

                                      ____

                                      ____

                                      On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:____

                                          an addendum to this, there are two
                                          primay variants to the payload. One
                                          tends to be much more aggressive, a
                                          much more roughly defined code, not
                                          all that pretty, but ultimately very
                                          versatile and robust. The other is
                                          normally more elegant in design, but
                                          it tends to be visciously malicious,
                                          this is the one to be most concerned
                                          of. Its underlying code has started
                                          wars and destroyed nations____

                                          ____

                                          On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 PM,
                                          Steve Jones
                                          <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:____

                                              So this weekend I discovered a
                                              Trojan virus on my network.
                                              Sometime around January we had
                                              opted to remove an old firewall
                                              that had met its product life
                                              cycles end. We were still in the
                                              process of deciding whether to
                                              continue with temporary
                                              firewalls or look toward more
                                              robust input/output chain
                                              policies for a hardened, more
                                              permanent solution. In the mean
                                              time, of course, we continued to
                                              do the upload/download thing. We
                                              had some suspicion that there
                                              was something going on, we noted
                                              alot of broadcast storms,
                                              particularly in the mornings.
                                              The network had become
                                              particularly sluggish and there
                                              seemed to be alot of application
                                              bloat, initially i just
                                              attributed this to poor code
                                              maintenance resulting in a
                                              memory leak.____

                                              We did a basic Netstat this
                                              weekend and discovered a traffic
                                              anomaly. So we went to a
                                              professional and had them run a
                                              packet sniffer. We had
                                              verification of foreign code,
                                              likely for as long as 6-8 
weeks.____

                                              It will be layer 3 in this case
                                              but its too early to tell
                                              whether this codes payload will
                                              be TCP or UDP, we will be
                                              monitoring as the code
                                              replicates. This is a pretty
                                              common virus, as a matter of
                                              fact we have all had it at one
                                              point, probably so long ago we
                                              dont even remember. We
                                              anticipate The fully formed
                                              packet chain to leave NAT mode
                                              and be fully routed out to the
                                              WAN in December.____

                                          ____

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