I have had a netflix caching server for several years. It was free. Does not
add to my backbone cost as it fills itself during the off hours.
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
IMO, the true cost of a service like Netflix is more than the monthly rate that
they bill their customers. As ISPs, we just have to absorb that cost or raise
prices to compensate, doesn't help with the big bad ISP perception.
On Saturday, December 16, 2017, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
It would mirror access charges in the telecom world. There are some logical
reasons why such a scheme would be fair, but it would really drive up the cost
of everything.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
A lot of people wanted to do that back in the day. I had no idea why.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Ron M." <ccie4...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:00:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
What I'm thinking here... don't charge the end users. Get good IP traffic
accounting and charge the upstream content providers for carrying THEIR sourced
traffic. Don't penalize the end users. ;-)
(My $0.02, can I have my change back now?)
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:21 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
wrote:
One of our tech support guys asked me yesterday if we're going to start
charging for access to Facebook, Netflix, etc. I was just like, dude,
seriously? Yeah, cuz that will surely get us customers. He said, but now we
can, so why wouldn't we? I said, but did we before NN? And then I realized he
was just trying to annoy me. Same shit the media is doing. FUD dbag tactics.
IT'S A TRAP!
On 12/15/2017 2:59 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Exactly. I literally see people suggesting that ISP's will charge for
access to Facebook or charge for access to Netflix. Not. Going. To. Happen.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:57:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
Yeah, true, there were ways to legally do it before if you really
wanted to. Bbut more to the point, nobody is going to do something like that
anyway, because there's no way that it would be worth the customer backlash
they'd have to deal with.
Nah, nobody is going to have the sense to feel silly about it...
they'll just keep whining for awhile, and then forget about it. Or else,
they'll find something that's completely unrelated that they don't like and
blame it on the lack of NN.
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
You would have to justify that as "reasonable network management".
They defined reasonable network management as being driven by technical reasons
rather than business reasons (paraphrased). Not disagreeing with you, just
clarifying.
The bigger loophole I saw was that transit providers were excluded
from all the rules.
Put an AS in between you and your upstream who just does filtering
for you. They're a transit provider so they have no NN rules.
It was very frustrating to witness all the crazy theories about what
would happen. I wonder if anyone will have the sense to feel silly about
pontificating on Facebook when absolutely nothing changes.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Dennis Burgess" <dmburg...@linktechs.net>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 12/15/2017 3:43:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
NN did not disallow you to block facebook, just have to disclose
it. J So it really did’ent do anything.
Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
MTCTCE, MTCINE
For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
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Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 3:24 PM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
Awesome! I think I'll go block Facebook, and see how that goes...
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/15/net_neutrality_s_end_was_mostly_celebrated_by_the_far_right.html
Apparently now we ISPs can lawfully block individual sites and
will do so with impunity.
These people with these petty ideas I dont think understand how
poorly granularity scales.
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Josh Baird
<joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
I like this as well. I was thinking it would be a good idea to
put out a statement..
On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Paul McCall
<pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
Yep, that is concise and effective
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A.
Villarini
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 7:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Our NN statment
What do you guys think? Lots of customers calling!
Aeronet Statement on Net Neutrality
AeroNet, a ISP that provides advanced Internet services to
Business and individuals in PR, USVI and Miami, applauds any action taken that
promotes innovation and advancement of connectivity for all consumers. In
Aeronet’s 17 years of history, our pricing structure has always been simple,
unlimited and without any toll gates. The placement and removal of Net
Neutrality rules have not and will not modify our pricing policy. We maintain
our commitment to provide the fastest and most reliable service to our
customers, with innovative solutions that fulfill our customers needs.
Gino A. Villarini
President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico
00968
