Agree. Pei
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Aki Iskandar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sounds good Pei - thanks. Multiple lists are definitely a great start - to > stress differences. And a companion master list to stress similarities would > also be helpful. > > Everyone learns differently - and though a master list may seem > intimidating, it may better represent breadth - where several distinct lists > may better represent a cohesive structure(s). Having both seems to make > sense. > > ~Aki > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Aki Iskandar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Pei - > > > > > > What about having a tree like diagram that branches out into either: > > > - the different paths / approaches to AGI (for instance: NARS, > Novamente, > > > and Richard's, etc.), with suggested readings at those leaves > > > - area of study, with suggested readings at those leaves > > > > Yes, that is what I like. I know Ben would rather stress the > > similarity of the approaches, and merge all the lists into one, but > > I'd rather keep the difference visible. One reason is otherwise the > > list will be too long for anyone to follow. > > > > > > > Or possibly, a Mind Map diagram that shows AGI in the middle, with the > > > approaches stemming from it, and then either sub fields, or a reading > list > > > and / or collection of links (though the links may become outdated, > dead). > > > > > > Point is, would a diagram help "map" the field - which caters to the > > > differing approaches, and which helps those wanting to chart a course to > > > their own learning/study ? > > > > In principle, yes, but a diagram with many text in it tends to look > > confusing. After we get the lists, you can play with them to see what > > is the best way to show the information. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pei > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > ~Aki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben, > > > > > > > > It is a good start! > > > > > > > > Of course everyone else will disagree --- like what Richard did and > > > > I'm going to do. ;-) > > > > > > > > I'll try to find the time to provide my list --- at this moment, it > > > > will be more like a reading list than a textbook TOC. In the future, > > > > it will be integrated into the E-book I'm working on > > > > (http://nars.wang.googlepages.com/gti-summary). > > > > > > > > Compared to yours, mine will contain less math and algorithms, but > > > > more psychology and philosophy. > > > > > > > > I'd like to see what Richard and others want to propose. We shouldn't > > > > try to merge them into one wiki page, but several. > > > > > > > > Pei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > A lot of students email me asking me what to read to get up to > speed on > > > AGI. > > > > > > > > > > So I started a wiki page called "Instead of an AGI Textbook", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.agiri.org/wiki/Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook#Computational_Linguistics > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately I did not yet find time to do much but outline a > table > > > > > of contents there. > > > > > > > > > > So I'm hoping some of you can chip in and fill in some relevant > > > > > hyperlinks on the pages > > > > > I've created ;-) > > > > > > > > > > For those of you too lazy to click the above link, here is the > > > > > introductory note I put on the wiki page: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > > > I've often lamented the fact that there is no advanced undergrad > level > > > > > textbook for AGI, analogous to what Russell and Norvig is for > Narrow > > > > > AI. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I don't have time to write such a textbook, and no > one > > > > > else with the requisite knowledge and ability seems to have the > time > > > > > and inclination either. > > > > > > > > > > So, instead of a textbook, I thought it would make sense to outline > > > > > here what the table of contents of such a textbook might look like, > > > > > and to fill in each section within each chapter in this TOC with a > few > > > > > links to available online resources dealing with the topic of the > > > > > section. > > > > > > > > > > However, all I found time to do today (March 25, 2008) is make the > > > > > TOC. Maybe later I will fill in the links on each section's page, > or > > > > > maybe by the time I get around it some other folks will have done > it. > > > > > > > > > > While nowhere near as good as a textbook, I do think this can be a > > > > > valuable resource for those wanting to get up to speed on AGI > concepts > > > > > and not knowing where to turn to get started. There are some > available > > > > > AGI bibliographies, but a structured bibliography like this can > > > > > probably be more useful than an unstructured and heterogeneous one. > > > > > > > > > > Naturally my initial TOC represents some of my own biases, but I > trust > > > > > that by having others help edit it, these biases will ultimately > "come > > > > > out in the wash. > > > > > > > > > > Just to be clear: the idea here is not to present solely AGI > material. > > > > > Rather the idea is to present material that I think students would > do > > > > > well to know, if they want to work on AGI. This includes some AGI, > > > > > some narrow AI, some psychology, some neuroscience, some > mathematics, > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > ******* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Ben Goertzel, PhD > > > > > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > > > > > Director of Research, SIAI > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > "If men cease to believe that they will one day become gods then > they > > > > > will surely become worms." > > > > > -- Henry Miller > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > > agi > > > > > Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > > > > RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > > > > > Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > > agi > > > > Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > > > RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > > > > Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > > > > > > > > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Aki R. 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