I was going to stay away completely from this thread, however some of the statements that Youness made have obliged me to reply. I will however keep it very and generalised. Also note, I had note seen the 12 images before reading this thread.
To start with, some of the comments that Younness have made if you ask me are a lot worse and more racist than those cartoons. And then if you want to say the following: > Sorry, I didn't mean to shock!! I said that in a joking manner... how do you know that the artists who drew the cartoons weren't thinking the same?? You said that the cartoons were drawn either by a Christians or Jews, what makes you say that? The only reference I can see to either in any of the 12 cartoons is the 1 which has a star of David and a crescent moon under some sort of ice-cream cone/pacman sketch (as you may be able to tell I don't understand the caption and couldn't figure out the cartoon...). If you therefore truly believe that these could only have been drawn by Christians or Jews then it seems that you have some hate towards both. If you are going to comment on the situation in Israel please take a look at the history of Israel and the Palestinian conflict. I did a google search and this was the first page that came up, it is very short and covers all the major wars. http://www.factsofisrael.com/en/history.htm You were adamant about the fact that 'Muslims never attacked a church' what about synagogues? Do you know how many synagogues were destroyed by Muslims in the Arab controlled areas of Israel? (the number that were 'not' destroyed could probably be counted on 1 hand) You asked for a definition of Zionism, it is the belief that the Jewish nation should have its own state where Jews can live under their own rule without persecution from other nations. It began as a response to rampant anti-Semitism in the late 19th century. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Youness Alaoui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:41 AM Subject: [Amsn-devel] Re: [Amsn-devel] OT : Fwd: des caricatures représentant le Prophète Mohamed salla ALLAH alih wa sallam Sorry, I didn't mean to shock!! I said that in a joking manner... I did mean Israel indeed and didn't generalize this to all Jews... I think there are jews and sionists, I don't know the difference though, but I think sionists are the pro-israely people, or the jews extremists, or I don't know.. anyways! About the thread, I didn't want it to be such a huge problem, it's indeed off topic, I though people would understand the importance and go vote, but it seems noone but people with muslim education could undestand how much it hurts to see this problem... Sorry for making a fuss.. it won't prevent us from releasing a good aMSN, right? a few hours of OT mails.. was it that dramatic to the aMSN development ? Anyways, if people still want to talk about the subject, they can use PM as someone else did, this way, we'll avoid disturbing Jerome and Phil.. btw.. Phil.. not having opinion on something that doesn't concern you.. ahh, you dissapoint me! KKRT On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:56:49 -0500, Le Philousophe - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > Be careful with what you say, you just shocked me ! > You say I quote : "200 are killed by Bush and Jews". Israël is Jude but > Jews > aren't Israël there are many Jews in other places of the world and they > don't > ask anything to anybody ! I think this thread shouldn't have begun and > should > be stopped immediately. I suggest you continue that in PM... I think > (like > Jérome) that this Mailing list isn't a place where we should exchange > political ideas... Even if it is off topic... > Please Youness, I can understand you are affected by this story but I > believe > too you are a reasonable guy so I hope my message will be the last off > this > thread... I don't want to have opinion on the trouble as I don't feel > concerned with it. > Phil > > Le Monday 06 February 2006 22:12, Youness Alaoui a écrit : >> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:00:32 -0500, Philippe Khalaf >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Yo, >> >> Yo, Yo >> >> >> Phil, too bad you're not understanding this the same way as I do.. >> you >> >> can't ask people to stay quiet.. not after everything that's >> happening.. >> >> how many muslims have died because some country loves to kill >> muslims.. >> >> how many muslims live a horrible life because they are opressed by >> >> others.. and how would you feel for example, if you tried to help a >> >> friend >> >> by being nice to him and he just took it the wrong way and stoped >> >> talking >> >> to you? it's the same.. the world's opinion on muslims is so bad is >> is >> >> almost 100% opposite to everything the Islam is... >> >> so many people think Islam is violent, while it's the most non >> violent >> >> religion on earth... >> >> people are just fed up and we just can't take it anymore and shut >> up... >> >> Thanks for sharing your ideas... >> > >> > Don't worry I do understand mostly how you feel. Let's just say that >> > Lebanese Christians have a whole lot of skeletons in their closets >> > (from the war) and I sometimes have to answer for it even though I >> > wasn't born at the time :P >> >> ok cool.. you have a skeleton in the closet ? can I see it? :D >> >> > But you have to look at the bigger picture. Muslims today are like the >> > Jews of before. They are mostly seen by the "west" as evil. >> >> humm.. I though the Jews were still seen as the evil by the whole >> globe.. >> they only have too much power for anyone to say it out loud :P >> >> > But on the long term I wouldn't worry to much about it. Islam is the >> > largest religion on the globe and Muslims do get more children, >> > therefore Islam is growing all over the world, western countries >> > included. The world is trying to deal with this new dynamic and well >> it >> > needs time to adapt, but it eventually will. The first reaction to any >> > cultural change is always fear and hatred. It will pass. >> >> yeah... 100 new muslims are born every day, 50 are converted from >> another >> religion, 200 are killed by Bush and Jews... great expansion... :) >> Also, I'm worried about one thing, even if we are bigger than other >> religions, most of muslims are not well educated.. look at me, I'm >> 'Muslim', yet, I don't pray, I don't follow any rule, I know 5% of my >> religion, and I say 'fuck you' to people when I loose control.. I should >> be more pacific, don't you think? :) >> all this to say that the opression made most muslims angry and I don't >> know if they skeletons from the closet of the muslim people (when they >> have a closet..) are not going to ruin everything.. >> >> > Laterz, >> > Burger >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >> > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log >> > files >> > for problems? Stop! 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