On Thu, 04 May 2006 05:43:28 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> OK, here I go again; In our Chatwindow, nor in any window of aMSN
that
> needs menus, we'reworking on files. The first menu should be about
the
> "object" you work on in that particular window. In a
> word-processor/filemanager, you are working on (a) file(s), so this
menu
> is called "File". In a chatwindow, you're "working" on chats. So,
imo,
> following guidelines written by professionals [1], it should be called
> "Chat".
> You say "it should be called 'save as ...' but this is up to the
> translator. Now in Dutch, and I guess you translated this ;), it's
> "save as a file", which sounds very clear in a "Chat" menu.
> When you press "close" you are not closing any file. You close a
chat!
>
>
> You say "my action menu is about changing something to the chat". All
> but the first item in there is about interaction with you contact so
I
> don't see why it's not a bout contact. It's just natural language
> "Contact -> send nudge" and it's kind of clear you are going to send a
> nudge to that contact.
>
> I'm ok about removing the webcam setup button.
>
>
> Karel.
>
>
> [1]
> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/
>
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIG
>uidelines/index.html
>
> Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 22:24 +0200, schreef Harry Vennik:
>> Ok, chatwindow menu's are far from perfect now, so I do support
Karel's
>> proposal to make them better, but I do not like the menu's he
proposed
>> either. Instead of a lengthy mail with all kinds of arguments, I'd
like
>> to
>> make my own proposal how I'd do it. I'll add a few remarks at the
end.
>>
>> Okay, here is my proposal for the menu's:
>>
>>
>> File Edit View Actions Contact
>> ===============================
>>
>>
>> ===File===
>> Save As...
>> ---
>> Send file...
>> Show received files
>> ---
>> Close
>>
>>
>> ===Edit===
>> Cut
>> Copy
>> Paste
>> ---
>> Find...
>> Find Next
>> Find Previous
>>
>>
>> ===View===
>> Chat style >
>> Font size >
>> ---
>> * Show emoticons
>> * Show display plicture
>>
>>
>> ===Actions===
>> Add a contact to this chat...
>> ---
>> Send webcam
>> Ask to receive webcam
>> ---
>> Send a nudge
>>
>>
>> ===Contact===
>> Add to my contactlist
>> Block
>> ---
>> Send e-mail
>> Send SMS
>> ---
>> View history
>> View webcam sessions
>> ---
>> View profile
>> View/edit notes
>> Properties
>>
>>
>> Remarks:
>> - Everything where the user has to pick a file, name a file, or will
>> see a
>> representation of files on disk is in the File menu.
>> - I used 'Save As...' and not 'Save', because the user will have to
>> name the
>> file!
>> - The close option is also in the File menu because every user will
>> look for
>> it at the bottom of this menu, because it is always there, in every
>> app, so
>> we won't do that differently.
>>
>> - In the Edit menu is only what is there usually: Cut/Copy/Paste and
the
>> commands for searching in the window content.
>>
>> - In View there is anything about how things appear. The word 'view'
is
>> to be
>> read as 'Appearance', as explained by Karel. He's right there. (The *
>> before
>> the last two lines of this menu just means they are on/off switches)
>>
>> - The Actions menu contains everything that is about 'doing something
>> that has
>> some effect within the chat'
>>
>> - The Contact menu contains everything that affects the other user in
>> the chat
>> in any way, but is not directly related to the chat itself. I did not
>> include
>> the 'Set alarm' because it is on the properties window, which is in
the
>> menu
>> already.
>>
>> - 'Webcam settings' is not in the menu. Maybe they can go into the
>> CL-menu,
>> but I think having it accessible from the preferences window is all
we
>> need.
>>
>> Okay, that is my idea about it. I hope it's helpful.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> Op woensdag 3 mei 2006 19:02, schreef Youness Alaoui:
>> > On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:37:35 -0400, Ismael Asensio
>> >
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > 2006/5/3, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> > >> > I have just one comment. How about moving
>> > >> > View Chat history
>> > >> > view Webcam History
>> > >> > Into the view part?
>> > >>
>> > >> A view menu is the menu where the visual appereance of the
document
>> > >> you're working on and the surrounding UI can be changed. It's
>>
>> mostly
>>
>> > >> mistaken by people with an English UI as "view" also means like
>>
>> "look
>>
>> > >> at", but this is not the case for all languages. I don't know
>>
>> what it's
>>
>> > >> in french, but the Dutch word for example can be translated as
>>
>> "screen"
>>
>> > >> or "image". "view chat history" is an action on a user and
thus
>> > >> belongs to the "contact" menu imo.
>> > >
>> > > For Spanish users this distinction will be more difult to
>>
>> understand,
>>
>> > > as the translation for "View" menu is the verb "Ver" (litteraly
"To
>> > > see"), rather than a name, so that seems to be an action. This is
>>
>> the
>>
>> > > standard translation in every desktop and programa I can
remember,
>>
>> but
>>
>> > > it seems the Dutch people got right from the begining.
>> >
>> > humm, you mean someone made that mistake on MS DOS 1.0 and everyone
>>
>> kept
>>
>> > doing itwhen translating ? too bad...
>> >
>> > > I allways click on "View" to "view history" rather than on
>>
>> "Actions",
>>
>> > > and I allways wondered why it was on that place.
>> >
>> > same happens to me every time...
>> >
>> > > --
>> > > Si no encuentras tu media naranja, no te desanimes,
>> > > busca medio limón
>> > > y pónle azúcar, ron y hielo!!!!
>> > >
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