On 5/5/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
wow, cool, that would be just perfect! I think someone will need to help them get exactly what we need, who wants to work with them ? are we going to use openusability ?
I think we should register our project with OpenUsability. It's a good way to contact usability experts, and also a good way to show that the aMSN project is one that cares about its users. I can help, but not for a week or two. ~Lee
KKRT On Thu, 04 May 2006 21:38:43 -0400, Karol Krizka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 04 May 2006 10:51, Youness Alaoui wrote: >> Not sure about what to think about all that, but I just want to comment >> on >> the fact that those 'professionals' wrote that as a guideline for >> generic >> apps, they didn't do it having amsn in mind, so you shouldn't think of >> their *guidelines* as being true at 100%, keep an open mind... >> > http://openusability.org/ > AFAIK this is a group of experts that look at open source projects and > give > you input on how to improve your GUI. Why not try to submit aMSN to > them? It > would be better than bunch of us trying to intepret a document on > usability. > >> >> On Thu, 04 May 2006 05:43:28 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> > OK, here I go again; In our Chatwindow, nor in any window of aMSN >> that >> > needs menus, we'reworking on files. The first menu should be about >> the >> > "object" you work on in that particular window. In a >> > word-processor/filemanager, you are working on (a) file(s), so this >> menu >> > is called "File". In a chatwindow, you're "working" on chats. So, >> imo, >> > following guidelines written by professionals [1], it should be called >> > "Chat". >> > You say "it should be called 'save as ...' but this is up to the >> > translator. Now in Dutch, and I guess you translated this ;), it's >> > "save as a file", which sounds very clear in a "Chat" menu. >> > When you press "close" you are not closing any file. You close a >> chat! >> > >> > >> > You say "my action menu is about changing something to the chat". All >> > but the first item in there is about interaction with you contact so >> I >> > don't see why it's not a bout contact. It's just natural language >> > "Contact -> send nudge" and it's kind of clear you are going to send a >> > nudge to that contact. >> > >> > I'm ok about removing the webcam setup button. >> > >> > >> > Karel. >> > >> > >> > [1] >> > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/ >> > >> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIG >> >uidelines/index.html >> > >> > Op wo, 03-05-2006 te 22:24 +0200, schreef Harry Vennik: >> >> Ok, chatwindow menu's are far from perfect now, so I do support >> Karel's >> >> proposal to make them better, but I do not like the menu's he >> proposed >> >> either. Instead of a lengthy mail with all kinds of arguments, I'd >> like >> >> to >> >> make my own proposal how I'd do it. I'll add a few remarks at the >> end. >> >> >> >> Okay, here is my proposal for the menu's: >> >> >> >> >> >> File Edit View Actions Contact >> >> =============================== >> >> >> >> >> >> ===File=== >> >> Save As... >> >> --- >> >> Send file... >> >> Show received files >> >> --- >> >> Close >> >> >> >> >> >> ===Edit=== >> >> Cut >> >> Copy >> >> Paste >> >> --- >> >> Find... >> >> Find Next >> >> Find Previous >> >> >> >> >> >> ===View=== >> >> Chat style > >> >> Font size > >> >> --- >> >> * Show emoticons >> >> * Show display plicture >> >> >> >> >> >> ===Actions=== >> >> Add a contact to this chat... >> >> --- >> >> Send webcam >> >> Ask to receive webcam >> >> --- >> >> Send a nudge >> >> >> >> >> >> ===Contact=== >> >> Add to my contactlist >> >> Block >> >> --- >> >> Send e-mail >> >> Send SMS >> >> --- >> >> View history >> >> View webcam sessions >> >> --- >> >> View profile >> >> View/edit notes >> >> Properties >> >> >> >> >> >> Remarks: >> >> - Everything where the user has to pick a file, name a file, or will >> >> see a >> >> representation of files on disk is in the File menu. >> >> - I used 'Save As...' and not 'Save', because the user will have to >> >> name the >> >> file! >> >> - The close option is also in the File menu because every user will >> >> look for >> >> it at the bottom of this menu, because it is always there, in every >> >> app, so >> >> we won't do that differently. >> >> >> >> - In the Edit menu is only what is there usually: Cut/Copy/Paste and >> the >> >> commands for searching in the window content. >> >> >> >> - In View there is anything about how things appear. The word 'view' >> is >> >> to be >> >> read as 'Appearance', as explained by Karel. He's right there. (The * >> >> before >> >> the last two lines of this menu just means they are on/off switches) >> >> >> >> - The Actions menu contains everything that is about 'doing something >> >> that has >> >> some effect within the chat' >> >> >> >> - The Contact menu contains everything that affects the other user in >> >> the chat >> >> in any way, but is not directly related to the chat itself. I did not >> >> include >> >> the 'Set alarm' because it is on the properties window, which is in >> the >> >> menu >> >> already. >> >> >> >> - 'Webcam settings' is not in the menu. Maybe they can go into the >> >> CL-menu, >> >> but I think having it accessible from the preferences window is all >> we >> >> need. >> >> >> >> Okay, that is my idea about it. I hope it's helpful. >> >> >> >> Harry >> >> >> >> Op woensdag 3 mei 2006 19:02, schreef Youness Alaoui: >> >> > On Wed, 03 May 2006 12:37:35 -0400, Ismael Asensio >> >> > >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > > 2006/5/3, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> > >> > I have just one comment. How about moving >> >> > >> > View Chat history >> >> > >> > view Webcam History >> >> > >> > Into the view part? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> A view menu is the menu where the visual appereance of the >> document >> >> > >> you're working on and the surrounding UI can be changed. It's >> >> >> >> mostly >> >> >> >> > >> mistaken by people with an English UI as "view" also means like >> >> >> >> "look >> >> >> >> > >> at", but this is not the case for all languages. I don't know >> >> >> >> what it's >> >> >> >> > >> in french, but the Dutch word for example can be translated as >> >> >> >> "screen" >> >> >> >> > >> or "image". "view chat history" is an action on a user and >> thus >> >> > >> belongs to the "contact" menu imo. >> >> > > >> >> > > For Spanish users this distinction will be more difult to >> >> >> >> understand, >> >> >> >> > > as the translation for "View" menu is the verb "Ver" (litteraly >> "To >> >> > > see"), rather than a name, so that seems to be an action. This is >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> > > standard translation in every desktop and programa I can >> remember, >> >> >> >> but >> >> >> >> > > it seems the Dutch people got right from the begining. >> >> > >> >> > humm, you mean someone made that mistake on MS DOS 1.0 and everyone >> >> >> >> kept >> >> >> >> > doing itwhen translating ? too bad... >> >> > >> >> > > I allways click on "View" to "view history" rather than on >> >> >> >> "Actions", >> >> >> >> > > and I allways wondered why it was on that place. >> >> > >> >> > same happens to me every time... >> >> > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > Si no encuentras tu media naranja, no te desanimes, >> >> > > busca medio limón >> >> > > y pónle azúcar, ron y hielo!!!! >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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