On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 11:44:54PM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote: > 2007/5/31, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I know that I kind of flooded the list with all the mails (it's still > > better than one huge mail, right ?) > > But anyone can comment on the three reasons I gave below as to whether or > > not a DM should be created ? > > > > On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:31:16AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: > > > Yes, but I still think it would be an advantage for many reasons : > > > 1 - everyone has it, so if we don't, it's a -1 for us (I know it's not a > > > real/good reason but from the end-user > > > perspective, it is) > > If every german were to kill jews, it doesn't make me kill jews (no > pilitics involved here, I don't dislike germans at all, it's just a > statement). > In other words: this is such a bad arguement >
lol, I was reading and thinking 'wtf', lol.. anyways, I know it's a bad argument, and I agree on that, I'm just saying that from the user's perspective, it might not be... > > > 2 - if we save the FT list in the config, it would be useful to open the > > > FT manager and see which file, which > > > person sent you a month ago.. easier than ls -lt on amsn_received, and > > > having to use a plugin to sort our > > > received folder... > > You just said it's "so unintuitive to have to search for FT's in the > chat history"; though, in IM, a file transfer is part of a chat. so > it's kind of logical. It could be made easier to find FT's in a > history by having some filters in the history viewer though (like > "show only FT's") or having 'm easily searchable by find-while-typing > if you do a filter to 'show only FTs', then that's it, it became a manager... maybe you're thinking about it too much like some huge thing. I'm just thinking about a window where you would sum up all your file transfers, it's just easier to find than view chat history, filter by FT... and yes, it IS logical, but it isn't intuitive for the common user. It makes sense to be there, but it doesn't make sense to search for it there, that's kind of what I'm tring to say, and I know, it sounds weird.. lol > > > 3 - if you download many files, it IS important.. I don't use voice > > > clips, you don't, I don't use webcam, vivia > > > does, we don't use a lot of FTs but other users do. I mean, even ME, I do > > > have sometimes (from time to time) 20 > > > FTs or more in an hour from one or two people.. > > If you have 1 FT in a month or 20 in a minute, they could still be > found in the history, and then you still don't need a "manager" for > it. The term "manager" makes me always think about bureaucrazy > (intended) ... the question is if you need it, not if it sounds well > or if it looks great on a release note like "0.98 has a FT manager, > hooray !" > yeah, maybe the association of 'manager' with bureaucracy is causing the issue here, why not call it 'transfer window' or 'file transfer something'... about the question do we need it, I would say I don't necessarily need it, but if it was there, it would help me a lot, for sure (when I'm in the 'FT mood'), if I need it, maybe not, but does the other users need it? I would say definitely yes. and I'm not talking here about 'it looks great on a release note' I'm talking about users reading it on a release note and saying "FINALLY!". I don't know if you follow the forums, but there has been a lot of people requesting that. A single window to group all the transfers.. it's certainly useful. p.s.: the point 3 wasn't about release note, or 20 FTs in a minute or whatever, it was about the fact that some will need it, some will not, not everyone uses all the features of amsn and not all the developers use the client the same way as most of the users... > > > > > > I hope it's convincing.. > > For me it's not, but as I'm more democratic then you possibly think, I > await other's reply > I know you're democratic... I'm not (6) :p > > > > > > KaKaRoTo > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 10:00:00PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: > > > > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Karel Demeyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > Again, I'd like the question(s) to rise: Do we really need an "FT > > > > > manager"? Isn't this a bit over-engineering ? Is it needed for an IM > > > > > program where file transfers are a nice feature but not the main > > > > > activity ? Do you think our users will transfer so many files at once > > > > > they need a manager because they can't manage 'm themselves ? > > > > > > > > +1 from here. It would just clutter imho. :) When transferring a file > > > > with > > > > an IM program, you usually associate it with the sender/receiver and not > > > > with other downloads, so a download manager would be yet another desktop > > > > clutter... OK, better than the many transfer windows we have now, but > > > > still a nuisance. I think that the status bar is quite appropriate for > > > > FT > > > > info. > > > > > > > > Oh, and +1 from Alvaro - we just discussed it. :) > > > > > > > > Vivia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karel. > > > > > > > > > > 2007/5/30, NoWhereMan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > Harry Vennik wrote: > > > > > > > Btw. keep in mind that closing a CW should not stop any FT. So, > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > should be another way of opening the FT window than only through > > > > > > > clicking an FT in a CW. Also when a conversation with the same > > > > > > > contact is openend again, while the FT is still going on, that FT > > > > > > > should appear in the CW again!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > yeeech! that sounds a bit complex. I would just go with the > > > > > > wlm-like message > > > > > > "if you leave the conversation now all transfers will be closed" or > > > > > > something along the lines. It would be easier for you, I think... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > > > > > > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take > > > > > > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. 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