With a 60K install base I could see $150 a day. My figures reflect my measly install base of less than 3K.
On the whole tax aspect I guess I never considered that my time and effort as well as the cost of anything related to the production of the app could be written off. Of course I leave the taxes to my wife who's more capable in that regard. It will make for a fun tax time next year that is for sure. Wayne On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Warren <warrenba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just for clarification, did you really intend to type $150, or did you > mean $1.50? If you really meant $150, great! But since other people > report incomes in the single-digit dollar range, I thought perhaps it > was a typo. Either way, it would be good to know. > > > On Mar 31, 1:10 pm, Streets Of Boston <flyingdutc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It is income, so you ought to report it to the IRS. The fact Google > > doesn't send your income-details to the IRS (and it doesn't send you a > > 1099), doesn't mean it's exempt from taxes... we can wish, though. And > > who knows, the IRS may be able to figure it out when you get an audit. > > And i think there's a $600 minimum limit before you need to report it. > > > > However, i think that for most of us, this is just a hobby. This means > > that you can directly deduct expenses (e.g. computer, phone, etc). > > However, for hobby-income, you can't deduct more than your income on > > your hobby (e.g. for a photography hobby: deduct all of the costs of > > your expensive DSLR and your nice lenses and selling just one picture, > > that's not possible) > > > > BTW, i'm not a tax-man :) > > > > On Mar 31, 12:18 pm, Kevin Duffey <andjar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Wayne et all,... > > > > > read more » > > > > > I agree.. it would look strange that they are giving that much money in > > > transactions to individuals, but where do we find out about this? Some > of > > > you are selling apps... what are you doing to deal with income taxes? > When > > > you signed up to publish your app, were you required to give some sort > of > > > business tax id, or your social and some other info so that they know > who > > > you are and can send info to IRS? Where is the info that explains this? > I > > > want to be legit, but hey, if there is no process I don't mind not > losing > > > half of that 70% to the IRS. :D I already pay way too much in taxes. > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Wayne Wenthin <wa...@fuligin.com> > wrote: > > > > I include both Jars and query my server on which ads to show. I > default to > > > > Admob = false. This way if my query fails I get Mobclix. The key > is to > > > > place both ads in the same location and use the enabled and visible > methods. > > > > > > As for the accounting I'm sure they have to show who they are > transferring > > > > the cash to. I don't think the IRS would let them use any blatant > methods > > > > that look like money laundering. I'm not an accountant but I do > run my > > > > own business's and that method of accounting would trigger an audit > really > > > > quick for a company the size of google. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:35 AM, Abdul Mateen <abmat...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> I think I should also do this, i.e switch from Admob ---> QW or > Mobclix. > > > >> If even I made 50 per day it would be enough...but yes how to force > user to > > > >> update ? I have more than 10k active installs. > > > > > >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Dan Sherman <impact...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > > > >>> I would imagine their tax lines look something like this: > > > > > >>> Client --> Google :: $1.00 > > > >>> Google --> Developer :: $0.70 > > > > > >>> Google's taxable income: $0.30 > > > > > >>> Note that they don't explicitly tell the government "We paid XXX to > > > >>> developer Y", they just note that the money left their hands, and > that they > > > >>> shouldn't be taxed on it. Essentially, its your responsibility to > mention > > > >>> that you received the money. If they wanted to track that cash, > should be > > > >>> very easy to see :) > > > > > >>> - Dan > > > > > >>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Kevin Duffey < > andjar...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > >>>> I would think the same thing. Maybe it's the google market that > doesn't > > > >>>> report it? I had asked about this some time ago, for those selling > apps and > > > >>>> making their 70%, at tax time do they get some 1099 or something, > and > > > >>>> several said no. So I am unclear as to how the market handles > taxes... as > > > >>>> well, if you do micro transactions in your app, where you charge > $1 for some > > > >>>> virtual item, using paypal/google, who take a cut, how is that > handled? Does > > > >>>> google/paypal send in info on how much was paid to you.. that is > not clear > > > >>>> to me at all. > > > > > >>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:06 PM, Dan Sherman < > impact...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > >>>>> I would very seriously suspect that they report it. I remember > having > > > >>>>> to give a social-security/tax-id to Adsense when signing up. And > just > > > >>>>> thinking through their tax predicament (bringing in tons of > money, and > > > >>>>> seeing a lot of it go straight back out), they're going to need > to keep > > > >>>>> records, and report as to where that money went out to. Mostly > so they > > > >>>>> don't have to pay taxes on it (was your profits, not theirs). > > > > > >>>>> - Dan > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Kevin Duffey < > andjar...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> Well, yes, you *should* report it.. but if google and admob and > so > > > >>>>>> forth don't report anything to the IRS, then it's basically on > good faith. > > > >>>>>> There isn't presently any way for them to track how much you > make. I would > > > >>>>>> imagine eventually something will come into play. > > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Wayne Wenthin < > wa...@fuligin.com>wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> I'll chime in on this. I have switched from admob to mobclix > > > >>>>>>> recently. (actually I can control which one I use base on a > network check) > > > >>>>>>> I have noticed my CTR jump from around 2-3 a day to around 7. > This makes me > > > >>>>>>> more inclined to hang with them. But I only changed after I > watch admob > > > >>>>>>> drop from around 7 a day to 1-2. Now 150 a day is my new goal > ;-) But I > > > >>>>>>> figure if I can bring in 100 a month or so it's still better > than nothing. > > > > > >>>>>>> As for the IRS thing this is all income and it will need to be > > > >>>>>>> reported in some way. > > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Abdul Mateen < > abmat...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> Yes Really Moto $150/day is a damn good income from Ads, I am > only > > > >>>>>>>> making $1-$2/day , and I am using Admob + Greystripe.. > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Kevin Duffey < > andjar...@gmail.com > > > >>>>>>>> > wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>> I am interested in this as well. First, Moto.. $150 a day? > Holy > > > >>>>>>>>> crap! I'd love to have that much 7 days a week coming in. > That would > > > >>>>>>>>> supplement my income nicely. :) Second, slightly off topic, > but directly > > > >>>>>>>>> related to revenue.. with that much coming in, or say even > more if you had > > > >>>>>>>>> like $1000 a day coming in, what do you do about income > taxes? I was told by > > > >>>>>>>>> some that google doesn't send any money making info to IRS.. > so essentially > > > >>>>>>>>> there is no way for IRS or any tax/government to track how > much you make. I > > > >>>>>>>>> am probably a long ways off from earning $1 a day.. but I am > curious how you > > > >>>>>>>>> handle this issue. Is it on faith that you pay taxes... and > mind you, you > > > >>>>>>>>> can shoot a private email if this is something that you > wouldn't want to > > > >>>>>>>>> make public. :) I am not trying to cheat the IRS out of money > by any means.. > > > >>>>>>>>> I would rather be legit... but am interested in how this is > done. Living in > > > >>>>>>>>> California I already lose half my paycheck to taxes between > state and > > > >>>>>>>>> federal. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> The ads that are done in games, don't they have to be clicked > on to > > > >>>>>>>>> earn money? You said you have 60,000 users, do a lot of them > click the ads > > > >>>>>>>>> while playing a game? Or even in a splash screen or game-over > screen? Or do > > > >>>>>>>>> you earn money just by showing the ad? I would hope both.. > clicks == more > > > >>>>>>>>> money, showing == very little. But if you get nothing from > displaying the > > > >>>>>>>>> ad.. that seems ridiculous... because you are advertising for > that ad.. the > > > >>>>>>>>> user is seeing that ad.. even if they don't click it, it may > trigger them > > > >>>>>>>>> later to look it up, etc. If you do make some money off of > each ad > > > >>>>>>>>> displayed... how does it work? I mean, you could write a > robot app that made > > > >>>>>>>>> it seem like 10's of 1000's of people were at least seeing > the ad. There > > > >>>>>>>>> must be some way that admob and others avoid "cheating" and > losing money. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Lastly, I thought things like admob required an ad all the > time? > > > >>>>>>>>> You can control when/where you display it? I thought admob > was a small > > > >>>>>>>>> banner ad at the bottom of the screen all the time.. and it's > sdk/api > > > >>>>>>>>> controlled how often an ad was displayed? What level of > control do you have > > > >>>>>>>>> over say.. putting ads during game play, or just on the > splash screen and > > > >>>>>>>>> end-game/high score screens? As well, how targeted are the > ads? Do you send > > > >>>>>>>>> data to admob about the user playing the game that helps them > target ads? > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Ahmed majaat < > amaj...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> try this, > > > >>>>>>>>>>http://www.aditic.com/demo, it may helps you to improve your > CTR > > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > > >>>>>>>>>> Revenue. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> They have more ad formats, splashscreen, interstial, 2/3 > banner, > > > >>>>>>>>>> strech banner and more for Android. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Just for your information I used intro/splashscreen Banner > and > > > >>>>>>>>>> retractable banner, my CTR is around 0.67. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Ahmed, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2:22 am, Wayne Wenthin <wa...@fuligin.com> > wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > There is AdWhirl that will allow you to serve up from > different > > > >>>>>>>>>> providers. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > I have not tried it yet but since I have both admob, which > was > > > >>>>>>>>>> doing very > > > >>>>>>>>>> > well for me, and Mobclix I may try to do them both. I > found it > > > >>>>>>>>>> interesting > > > >>>>>>>>>> > that while keeping the ad rotation interval the same > between the > > > >>>>>>>>>> two I was > > > >>>>>>>>>> > serving around 30K impression with mobclix and about 17K > with > > > >>>>>>>>>> admob. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > My CTR on admob was significantly higher. Now that I > switched > > > >>>>>>>>>> back to admob > > > >>>>>>>>>> > I found a "glitch" that I had not noticed before and > wonder if > > > >>>>>>>>>> my mobclix > > > >>>>>>>>>> > CTR could have been better. Its actually encouraging to > know > > > >>>>>>>>>> that at > > > >>>>>>>>>> > least some money is being made out there. 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