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At 04:26 2001-12-14 +0000, Bill Howard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I meant above all the "houses" of "traditional" capitalism > >and imperialism, on the one hand, and revisionism, as > >represented not least by the social-imperialist Soviet > >Union and its adherents from the 60s on. > > And the two are as bad as each other, then? > > Plaguingly, > > Bill. Yes. During one period in the mid-70s, social-imperialism was "worse", or at least was the most dangerous (direct) source of war, planning an aggression against West Europe and in fact putting everything on that "card" for its own "survival" too. The Marxists at the time (Mao Zedong in China and the very small genuine forces in Europe) in fact had to concentrate on these aims of social-imperialism even more than on what the US imperialists were - directly - doing. The reason the Soviet Union was so strong then, or appeared to be so, was that the US imperialists, the leading faction among them, absolutely needed that arch-reactionary power as a counterweight against the then existing revolutionary China and revolutionary tendencies also elsewhere, so that they in fact connived, in part at least, at the aggressive plans of the Soviet revisionists. After the overthrow of socialism in China, in 1976/78, the US imperialists no longer had this "need", so, ironically, the acute war danger decreased. As it turned out clearly later, US imperialism was the one who was directing things, more or less, from behind the stage. That power *was* the more "solid" one, so to speak. Social-imperialism and its and adherents certainly were nasty, no less openly nasty than US imperialism and *its* open adherents, but that latter enemy of the people was the stronger, in the long run. "A plague on both your houses!", anyway, very much applied then, and it equally much applies now. As one small example/"proof" of this, read again those howlings "ban-ban-ban!" against me and my small (repeated) exposure of social-imperialism earlier dealings in Afghanistan, by Murraybullah ("mart"), Barrybullah and (a little "milder") by Richiebullah (Roper) too, on this list a couple of days ago. *Very* touchy, and pretty nasty, in their intents, weren't they? Imagine such people being of control of a state, say. They'd outdo Ashcroft and his (closest) friends any day, as to suppression of the (actual) Left and of the people. Rolf M. ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9WB2D Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================