On 5/29/09 1:27 PM, Jade Rubick wrote:
Personally, even though I think many in the community don't like Dossy
acting without community involvement, I'd rather see something done than
nothing, as long as it isn't harming the project.

I definitely understand that people dislike my approach. I also know that things get discussed to death and nothing actually happens as a result, too. I lean heavily to the one extreme (action, little discussion) which understandably bothers people. Unfortunately, it's the way I am; it's how I know how to get things done. I like to believe that nothing I do intentionally harms the project on a technical level.

Perhaps the problem is that there is no formal structure for Aolserver,
so nobody has the "authority" to act on behalf of the community.

I agree, this is probably a huge defect in the structure of the AOLserver project's organization and management. Thanks for raising the issue.

What if we had a simple voting application somewhere, and the members of
this mailing list each got a vote?

I am very, very worried about a pure democracy approach as it often produces the Bikeshed Effect [1].

    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_of_the_bikeshed

In short, a large number of individuals abstain from voting on complex issues where they feel it would be inappropriate for them to vote as they're not qualified to decide either way. This results in very skewed representation of votes on difficult matters.

Similarly, a large number of individuals vote on the trivial issues, which gives disproportionate weight to them, artificially inflating their perceived importance. In cases where a majority of 2/3rd's or some other criteria is required, reasonably trivial decisions can be unnecessarily held up due to lack of consensus.

I'd really like to create a structure that empowers and enables the top of the anecdotal Pyramid of Participation (1% creators, 9% contributors, 90% lurkers). Perhaps participants on this list can help by brainstorming suggestions for such?

My thoughts on the matter: the US Presidential election system and many corporations operate in a way that I think tries to achieve this goal, using proxy voters (electoral college, board of directors) whose intent is to represent its constituents. While polling the popular vote is interesting, ultimately the electoral college votes and decides the President. Of course, I'm very likely heavily biased being an American, thinking this system is a good one - if (any of) you have alternative models to suggest, please describe them.

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Panoptic Computer Network   | http://panoptic.com/
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    folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on." (p. 70)


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