There are quite a few ARR songs that I don't particularly like, but for me, Khwaja is not one of them. Oh well, to each their own.
--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <vsra...@...> wrote: > > As I said, when someone tend to like everything, it could be that his > artist is really flawlessly consistently great, or it could be that we > love the artist so much that we can't make ourselves see his rare drawbacks. > > I am not just giving a high handed judgment rendering khwaja poor. I > have elaborated point by point what I find it lacking in. > > Yeah, in that mail I did declare Arziyan great without going point by > point why i find it great. Some day I will analyze it. > > Thanks. > -- > Rawat > > On 3/13/2009 7:22 AM India Time, _Chord_ wrote: > > > Wow, Rawat, tell us how you really feel. I pretty much disagree with you > > completely. I love Khwaja and Arziyan both the same. > > > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <vsrawat@> wrote: > >> On 3/12/2009 3:11 PM India Time, _Jahanzeb Farooq_ wrote: > >> > >>> in fact we watched > >>> JA together and during Khwaja mere khwaja as I mentioned that music > >>> is by ARR, he said I did not see anything special (sadly enough. may > >>> because it was in bad quality. also we know that ARR's music grows > >>> but he does not). > >> I am a known JA basher so I thought I can say about this song also. > >> > >> khwaja song might be holding additional value for muslims due to its > >> religious connotations, and for general fans it might have got some high > >> weightage due to the anecdotes of ARR having composed it already and > >> then AG using it in the film. > >> > >> But as a song, I find khwaja song quite barren and monotonous if I can > >> say that. It is a sort of "introvert" song giving a feel that a person > >> must be singing it within his heart and mind. It is his personal > >> pleasure. Others would not be able to connect to it. > >> > >> Firstly, the song has some 1:20 initial alaaps that are quire boring to > >> say and kill the entire beauty of song that comes after that. It is more > >> like the sounds generated when a player "tunes up" his instruments > >> before starting to really play it up. Such a long wasted part is a sin > >> in current busy time. Those "ya khwaja ji, moinuddin, gareeb nawaz" are > >> without any lyrical or music value". So, I think the start itself is > >> badly thought up. > >> > >> But then the song starts with lovely music BUT, BUT BUT poor lyrics. A > >> typical lack of creativity in the monotonous, "logically-built up" > >> lyrics as is usually the case with Javed Akhtar. > >> > >> Khwaja Mere Khwaja > >> Dil Mein Sama ja > >> Bebaso ki Taqdeer > >> Tu ne hai sawari > >> > >> There is no rhyming, no deep devotion. All that "dil mein sama ja" type > >> of phrases had been used a 1000 times in cheap ladki-pataao songs in 60s > >> and here he comes up with that in a 21st century devotional song. > >> > >> I would say that the major failure of the song remains in the poor > >> lyrics. Then, it fails in arrangements of vocals. None of the voices > >> carry and ethos and pathos. They are just singing an any song, not a > >> religious song for the most respected muslim personality of Indian > >> subcontinent. pronunciations are also not clear. that bebaso ki taqdeer > >> tu ne hai sanwari, has bebaso and tu ne pronounced so pooorly that one > >> has to strain to hear it and make the meaning of it. Sad that it is our > >> man himself. > >> > >> And then "Tere darbaar mein khwaza noor ko mainne dekha" has noor > >> pronounced so poorly by our man himself, and then there are alaaps, and > >> then the music gives the impression that the line is going to be > >> repeated, tere darbar mein khwaja - but they drop the line > >> unceremoniously and begin another line - sar jhukaate hain auliya. > >> What was so great in mentioning that auliya sar jhukate hain, so what, > >> is that why you feel respect for him? I think the respect should have > >> come from within, not due to seeing how others are respecting him. > >> > >> and then "tu hai xxxx khwaja - rutaba hai pyara" chahne se tujhko > >> mustafa ko paya" that xxx is still not clear to my aging ears. and > >> lastly that "hai mere peer ka sadqa, tera daman hai thama," tali hai > >> bala hamari, chhaya hai khumar tera, jitna bhi rashq karein beshaq, to > >> ab hai XXX mere khwaja, tere kadmo ko mere rahnuma nahin chhodna gawara. > >> I don't get what exactly is the concept. No rhyming, no poetry, just > >> some words have got hammerred in. It must be the poorest lyrics by Javed. > >> > >> I would say that ARR's voice is also not as sweet enough as he is famed > >> for, there is a rare shrillness, a hollow in ARR's voice that I don't > >> remember having heard in any other song. May be he was trying a new > >> voice but it didn't suit my ears. > >> > >> all the internal aalaaps also are confusing, making it a classical song. > >> They are not even bringing a sense of a trance. > >> > >> And as I already said once that JA music was a personal music and didn't > >> reflect the lavishness of the film. > >> > >> I think I can describe now what I meant by that personal vs lavishness. > >> Listen to the music between 3:40 - 4:05. That Persian sort of. Now, that > >> is what I call a royal music, that has lavishness, that has luxury, that > >> is group music, public music. Also the instrument that stars playing at > >> the backdrop at about 6:10 and continues till the end of song. that > >> single instrument is giving a royal touch to the song. That type of > >> music is what I expected to be everywhere in JA music and background, > >> but no, we didn't get that. Our man had different ideas about music > >> suitable for the emperor of India. Compare the above two sounds to the > >> sound at 1:20-1:45. Now this 1:20 sound is what I call a personal sound, > >> lacking royal touch. It is a commoner's, a poor man's sound, now > >> suitable for a period film. > >> > >> Seeing so many members liking the song so much, mentioning it as their > >> most fav song, etc., I tried to listen to it several times, but this is > >> one song of ARR that I found lacking in almost each and every aspect. > >> -- > >> > >> Compare that to D6's Arziyaan. Now, Arziyaan is a prayer song that > >> carries you with it and you forget yourself love the journey . perfect > >> sounds, music, emotional voices, all pathos, stopping just short of > >> melodrama of so many manmohan desai's religious songs. I wonder what > >> those who had loved khwaja feel about Arziyaan? One can't go on liking > >> every song otherwise it becomes a hype. One has to love some songs and > >> find some other songs not up to the mark, only then his appraisal of the > >> songs appear realistic. > >> > >> -- > >> Rawat >
