sorry but many points to disagree with. > khwaja song might be holding additional value for muslims due to its > religious connotations, and for general fans it might have got some high > weightage due to the anecdotes of ARR having composed it already and then AG > using it in the film.
first i would also like to add that though my father did not find it special (in one hearing), it was/is the absolute favorite of my whole family, including my mother, wife and younger siblings. so i must say there is something in it which most of the people are liking. i can agree that part of the reason may be that "muslim connection" you mentioned, but only PART of the reason not THE reason. and about "weightage due to ARR composition", i don't agree as like my family most of the people i have seen loving it don't have much to do with music or ARR. > Firstly, the song has some 1:20 initial alaaps that are quire boring to say > and kill the entire beauty of song that comes after that. for me those initial parts are absolute integral to the song, the very beauty of the song. also i truly love when he keeps singing "khawaja jee, kawaja jee..." in the beginning and also at the end of song. > Those "ya khwaja ji, moinuddin, gareeb nawaz" are without any lyrical or > music value". So, I think the start itself is badly thought up. same as above. > But then the song starts with lovely music BUT, BUT BUT poor lyrics. absolutely agree with you. lyrics are one of the biggest culprits in this case (but only in some places, not all) other being the pronunciation (sadly by our man). > A typical lack of creativity in the monotonous, "logically-built up" lyrics > as is usually the case with Javed Akhtar. > > Khwaja Mere Khwaja > Dil Mein Sama ja > Bebaso ki Taqdeer > Tu ne hai sawari > There is no rhyming, no deep devotion. All that "dil mein sama ja" type of > phrases had been used a 1000 times in cheap ladki-pataao songs in 60s. i have to disagree big time. i found them very meaningful, devotional and effective. there is certain beauty in these simple but very meaningful words. > pronunciations are also not clear. that bebaso ki taqdeer tu ne hai sanwari, > has bebaso and tu ne pronounced so pooorly that one has to strain to hear it > and make the meaning of it. rightly said. and especially "taqdeer" sounds like "takhti" (slate) or taqdi. ARR should have emphasized more on pronunciation. > And then "Tere darbaar mein khwaza noor ko mainne dekha" has noor pronounced > so poorly by our man himself i fully agree. > What was so great in mentioning that auliya sar jhukate hain, so what, is > that why you feel respect for him? I think the respect should have come from > within, not due to seeing how others are respecting him. i don't agree. i must say these lines carry much weight and importance. this is just a way to express how much respected he is. and btw how we learn to respect someone in the first place? i think we learn it by knowing the respected person (what he did that he should be respected) as well as by seeing other respected persons respecting that person. > and then "tu hai xxxx khwaja - rutaba hai pyara" chahne se tujhko mustafa ko > paya" that xxx is still not clear to my aging ears. i fully agree here. this was the most difficult part. it was not clear to me what he says until i read the lyrics on booklet. > and lastly that "hai mere peer ka sadqa, tera daman hai thama," tali hai bala > hamari, chhaya hai khumar tera especially "tali har bala" was never clear to me, never, until i read the lyrics. boss pronounced it very poorly. > I don't get what exactly is the concept. No rhyming, no poetry, just some > words have got hammerred in. can only agree about the lyrics and pronunciation. besides that for me rhyming is perfect and singing by ARR is full of soul and spirituality. > I would say that ARR's voice is also not as sweet enough as he is famed for, > there is a rare shrillness, a hollow in ARR's voice i think his voice suited very well to the song and in fact to all of songs he has sing. i don't feel any shrillness in his voice. > Listen to the music between 3:40 - 4:05. That Persian sort of. Now, that is > what I call a royal music. rightly said. > Compare the above two sounds to the sound at 1:20-1:45. Now this 1:20 sound > is what I call a personal sound, lacking royal touch. It is a commoner's, a > poor man's sound, now suitable for a period film. sorry but i lost you here. did not get how it sounds as "personal" or "poor man's music". - Jahanzeb --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, V S Rawat <vsra...@...> wrote: > > On 3/12/2009 3:11 PM India Time, _Jahanzeb Farooq_ wrote: > > > in fact we watched > > JA together and during Khwaja mere khwaja as I mentioned that music > > is by ARR, he said I did not see anything special (sadly enough. may > > because it was in bad quality. also we know that ARR's music grows > > but he does not). > > I am a known JA basher so I thought I can say about this song also. > > khwaja song might be holding additional value for muslims due to its > religious connotations, and for general fans it might have got some high > weightage due to the anecdotes of ARR having composed it already and > then AG using it in the film. > > But as a song, I find khwaja song quite barren and monotonous if I can > say that. It is a sort of "introvert" song giving a feel that a person > must be singing it within his heart and mind. It is his personal > pleasure. Others would not be able to connect to it. > > Firstly, the song has some 1:20 initial alaaps that are quire boring to > say and kill the entire beauty of song that comes after that. It is more > like the sounds generated when a player "tunes up" his instruments > before starting to really play it up. Such a long wasted part is a sin > in current busy time. Those "ya khwaja ji, moinuddin, gareeb nawaz" are > without any lyrical or music value". So, I think the start itself is > badly thought up. > > But then the song starts with lovely music BUT, BUT BUT poor lyrics. A > typical lack of creativity in the monotonous, "logically-built up" > lyrics as is usually the case with Javed Akhtar. > > Khwaja Mere Khwaja > Dil Mein Sama ja > Bebaso ki Taqdeer > Tu ne hai sawari > > There is no rhyming, no deep devotion. All that "dil mein sama ja" type > of phrases had been used a 1000 times in cheap ladki-pataao songs in 60s > and here he comes up with that in a 21st century devotional song. > > I would say that the major failure of the song remains in the poor > lyrics. Then, it fails in arrangements of vocals. None of the voices > carry and ethos and pathos. They are just singing an any song, not a > religious song for the most respected muslim personality of Indian > subcontinent. pronunciations are also not clear. that bebaso ki taqdeer > tu ne hai sanwari, has bebaso and tu ne pronounced so pooorly that one > has to strain to hear it and make the meaning of it. Sad that it is our > man himself. > > And then "Tere darbaar mein khwaza noor ko mainne dekha" has noor > pronounced so poorly by our man himself, and then there are alaaps, and > then the music gives the impression that the line is going to be > repeated, tere darbar mein khwaja - but they drop the line > unceremoniously and begin another line - sar jhukaate hain auliya. > What was so great in mentioning that auliya sar jhukate hain, so what, > is that why you feel respect for him? I think the respect should have > come from within, not due to seeing how others are respecting him. > > and then "tu hai xxxx khwaja - rutaba hai pyara" chahne se tujhko > mustafa ko paya" that xxx is still not clear to my aging ears. and > lastly that "hai mere peer ka sadqa, tera daman hai thama," tali hai > bala hamari, chhaya hai khumar tera, jitna bhi rashq karein beshaq, to > ab hai XXX mere khwaja, tere kadmo ko mere rahnuma nahin chhodna gawara. > I don't get what exactly is the concept. No rhyming, no poetry, just > some words have got hammerred in. It must be the poorest lyrics by Javed. > > I would say that ARR's voice is also not as sweet enough as he is famed > for, there is a rare shrillness, a hollow in ARR's voice that I don't > remember having heard in any other song. May be he was trying a new > voice but it didn't suit my ears. > > all the internal aalaaps also are confusing, making it a classical song. > They are not even bringing a sense of a trance. > > And as I already said once that JA music was a personal music and didn't > reflect the lavishness of the film. > > I think I can describe now what I meant by that personal vs lavishness. > Listen to the music between 3:40 - 4:05. That Persian sort of. Now, that > is what I call a royal music, that has lavishness, that has luxury, that > is group music, public music. Also the instrument that stars playing at > the backdrop at about 6:10 and continues till the end of song. that > single instrument is giving a royal touch to the song. That type of > music is what I expected to be everywhere in JA music and background, > but no, we didn't get that. Our man had different ideas about music > suitable for the emperor of India. Compare the above two sounds to the > sound at 1:20-1:45. Now this 1:20 sound is what I call a personal sound, > lacking royal touch. It is a commoner's, a poor man's sound, now > suitable for a period film. > > Seeing so many members liking the song so much, mentioning it as their > most fav song, etc., I tried to listen to it several times, but this is > one song of ARR that I found lacking in almost each and every aspect. > -- > > Compare that to D6's Arziyaan. Now, Arziyaan is a prayer song that > carries you with it and you forget yourself love the journey . perfect > sounds, music, emotional voices, all pathos, stopping just short of > melodrama of so many manmohan desai's religious songs. I wonder what > those who had loved khwaja feel about Arziyaan? One can't go on liking > every song otherwise it becomes a hype. One has to love some songs and > find some other songs not up to the mark, only then his appraisal of the > songs appear realistic. > > -- > Rawat >
