I would agree with rawat partially lyrics are substandard and so is arr's vocals ... he sounds very nasal
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Pradeepan R <pradeepanisonl...@gmail.com>wrote: > Rawat, lets understand one simple thing first: > Music and its taste is very highly subjective. Its not something that > everyone can objectively define as to what is good or bad. > can anyone measure likability of music like blood pressure !! > I can't understand why you fail to recognise this fact, instead of using > terms like 'blind-faith' !! > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:32 AM, V S Rawat <vsra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> As I said, when someone tend to like everything, it could be that his >> artist is really flawlessly consistently great, or it could be that we >> love the artist so much that we can't make ourselves see his rare >> drawbacks. >> >> I am not just giving a high handed judgment rendering khwaja poor. I >> have elaborated point by point what I find it lacking in. >> >> Yeah, in that mail I did declare Arziyan great without going point by >> point why i find it great. Some day I will analyze it. >> >> Thanks. >> -- >> Rawat >> >> >> On 3/13/2009 7:22 AM India Time, _Chord_ wrote: >> >> > Wow, Rawat, tell us how you really feel. I pretty much disagree with you >> completely. I love Khwaja and Arziyan both the same. >> > >> > >> > >> > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, V >> S Rawat <vsra...@...> wrote: >> >> On 3/12/2009 3:11 PM India Time, _Jahanzeb Farooq_ wrote: >> >> >> >>> in fact we watched >> >>> JA together and during Khwaja mere khwaja as I mentioned that music >> >>> is by ARR, he said I did not see anything special (sadly enough. may >> >>> because it was in bad quality. also we know that ARR's music grows >> >>> but he does not). >> >> I am a known JA basher so I thought I can say about this song also. >> >> >> >> khwaja song might be holding additional value for muslims due to its >> >> religious connotations, and for general fans it might have got some >> high >> >> weightage due to the anecdotes of ARR having composed it already and >> >> then AG using it in the film. >> >> >> >> But as a song, I find khwaja song quite barren and monotonous if I can >> >> say that. It is a sort of "introvert" song giving a feel that a person >> >> must be singing it within his heart and mind. It is his personal >> >> pleasure. Others would not be able to connect to it. >> >> >> >> Firstly, the song has some 1:20 initial alaaps that are quire boring to >> >> >> say and kill the entire beauty of song that comes after that. It is >> more >> >> like the sounds generated when a player "tunes up" his instruments >> >> before starting to really play it up. Such a long wasted part is a sin >> >> in current busy time. Those "ya khwaja ji, moinuddin, gareeb nawaz" are >> >> >> without any lyrical or music value". So, I think the start itself is >> >> badly thought up. >> >> >> >> But then the song starts with lovely music BUT, BUT BUT poor lyrics. A >> >> typical lack of creativity in the monotonous, "logically-built up" >> >> lyrics as is usually the case with Javed Akhtar. >> >> >> >> Khwaja Mere Khwaja >> >> Dil Mein Sama ja >> >> Bebaso ki Taqdeer >> >> Tu ne hai sawari >> >> >> >> There is no rhyming, no deep devotion. All that "dil mein sama ja" type >> >> >> of phrases had been used a 1000 times in cheap ladki-pataao songs in >> 60s >> >> and here he comes up with that in a 21st century devotional song. >> >> >> >> I would say that the major failure of the song remains in the poor >> >> lyrics. Then, it fails in arrangements of vocals. None of the voices >> >> carry and ethos and pathos. They are just singing an any song, not a >> >> religious song for the most respected muslim personality of Indian >> >> subcontinent. pronunciations are also not clear. that bebaso ki taqdeer >> >> >> tu ne hai sanwari, has bebaso and tu ne pronounced so pooorly that one >> >> has to strain to hear it and make the meaning of it. Sad that it is our >> >> >> man himself. >> >> >> >> And then "Tere darbaar mein khwaza noor ko mainne dekha" has noor >> >> pronounced so poorly by our man himself, and then there are alaaps, and >> >> >> then the music gives the impression that the line is going to be >> >> repeated, tere darbar mein khwaja - but they drop the line >> >> unceremoniously and begin another line - sar jhukaate hain auliya. >> >> What was so great in mentioning that auliya sar jhukate hain, so what, >> >> is that why you feel respect for him? I think the respect should have >> >> come from within, not due to seeing how others are respecting him. >> >> >> >> and then "tu hai xxxx khwaja - rutaba hai pyara" chahne se tujhko >> >> mustafa ko paya" that xxx is still not clear to my aging ears. and >> >> lastly that "hai mere peer ka sadqa, tera daman hai thama," tali hai >> >> bala hamari, chhaya hai khumar tera, jitna bhi rashq karein beshaq, to >> >> ab hai XXX mere khwaja, tere kadmo ko mere rahnuma nahin chhodna >> gawara. >> >> I don't get what exactly is the concept. No rhyming, no poetry, just >> >> some words have got hammerred in. It must be the poorest lyrics by >> Javed. >> >> >> >> I would say that ARR's voice is also not as sweet enough as he is famed >> >> >> for, there is a rare shrillness, a hollow in ARR's voice that I don't >> >> remember having heard in any other song. May be he was trying a new >> >> voice but it didn't suit my ears. >> >> >> >> all the internal aalaaps also are confusing, making it a classical >> song. >> >> They are not even bringing a sense of a trance. >> >> >> >> And as I already said once that JA music was a personal music and >> didn't >> >> reflect the lavishness of the film. >> >> >> >> I think I can describe now what I meant by that personal vs lavishness. >> >> >> Listen to the music between 3:40 - 4:05. That Persian sort of. Now, >> that >> >> is what I call a royal music, that has lavishness, that has luxury, >> that >> >> is group music, public music. Also the instrument that stars playing at >> >> >> the backdrop at about 6:10 and continues till the end of song. that >> >> single instrument is giving a royal touch to the song. That type of >> >> music is what I expected to be everywhere in JA music and background, >> >> but no, we didn't get that. Our man had different ideas about music >> >> suitable for the emperor of India. Compare the above two sounds to the >> >> sound at 1:20-1:45. Now this 1:20 sound is what I call a personal >> sound, >> >> lacking royal touch. It is a commoner's, a poor man's sound, now >> >> suitable for a period film. >> >> >> >> Seeing so many members liking the song so much, mentioning it as their >> >> most fav song, etc., I tried to listen to it several times, but this is >> >> >> one song of ARR that I found lacking in almost each and every aspect. >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Compare that to D6's Arziyaan. Now, Arziyaan is a prayer song that >> >> carries you with it and you forget yourself love the journey . perfect >> >> sounds, music, emotional voices, all pathos, stopping just short of >> >> melodrama of so many manmohan desai's religious songs. I wonder what >> >> those who had loved khwaja feel about Arziyaan? One can't go on liking >> >> every song otherwise it becomes a hype. One has to love some songs and >> >> find some other songs not up to the mark, only then his appraisal of >> the >> >> songs appear realistic. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Rawat >> >> > > > -- > Cheers, > Pradeepan. > > "All you need to do is, decide what to do with the time that is given to > you !" > > >
