Dear Rawat, You have mentioned that 'Khwaja.. is monotonous'..I say It 'must' be monotonous because it is a kind of 'Individual' Devotion.. Each of us has different approach to Religion and Devotion including Rahman..He 's already said that He's sung it from his heart and is a tribute to 'Khwaja ji'..so We DO NOT have any right to challenge or comment on his 'way of devotion'!!! Religion and Spirituality is NOT always gathering 10-50 people and singing Bhajans or Qawaalis..
You have said that its kind of introvert song so you don;t have any right to comment like this:- "Firstly, the song has some 1:20 initial alaaps that are quire boring to say and kill the entire beauty of song that comes after that. It is more like the sounds generated when a player "tunes up" his instruments" This is Rahman's pure 'Own' approach to song..You are contradicting your own starements thereby..anyway I agree with you that 'Arziyaan' has more Powerful mass appeal bcoz it is collective prayer. -jiban "jai ho" --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Pradeepan R <pradeepanisonl...@...> wrote: > > Rawat, lets understand one simple thing first: > Music and its taste is very highly subjective. Its not something that > everyone can objectively define as to what is good or bad. > can anyone measure likability of music like blood pressure !! > I can't understand why you fail to recognise this fact, instead of using > terms like 'blind-faith' !! > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:32 AM, V S Rawat <vsra...@...> wrote: > > > As I said, when someone tend to like everything, it could be that his > > artist is really flawlessly consistently great, or it could be that we > > love the artist so much that we can't make ourselves see his rare > > drawbacks. > > > > I am not just giving a high handed judgment rendering khwaja poor. I > > have elaborated point by point what I find it lacking in. > > > > Yeah, in that mail I did declare Arziyan great without going point by > > point why i find it great. Some day I will analyze it. > > > > Thanks. > > -- > > Rawat > > > > > > On 3/13/2009 7:22 AM India Time, _Chord_ wrote: > > > > > Wow, Rawat, tell us how you really feel. I pretty much disagree with you > > completely. I love Khwaja and Arziyan both the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, V > > S Rawat <vsrawat@> wrote: > > >> On 3/12/2009 3:11 PM India Time, _Jahanzeb Farooq_ wrote: > > >> > > >>> in fact we watched > > >>> JA together and during Khwaja mere khwaja as I mentioned that music > > >>> is by ARR, he said I did not see anything special (sadly enough. may > > >>> because it was in bad quality. also we know that ARR's music grows > > >>> but he does not). > > >> I am a known JA basher so I thought I can say about this song also. > > >> > > >> khwaja song might be holding additional value for muslims due to its > > >> religious connotations, and for general fans it might have got some high > > > > >> weightage due to the anecdotes of ARR having composed it already and > > >> then AG using it in the film. > > >> > > >> But as a song, I find khwaja song quite barren and monotonous if I can > > >> say that. It is a sort of "introvert" song giving a feel that a person > > >> must be singing it within his heart and mind. It is his personal > > >> pleasure. Others would not be able to connect to it. > > >> > > >> Firstly, the song has some 1:20 initial alaaps that are quire boring to > > >> say and kill the entire beauty of song that comes after that. It is more > > > > >> like the sounds generated when a player "tunes up" his instruments > > >> before starting to really play it up. Such a long wasted part is a sin > > >> in current busy time. Those "ya khwaja ji, moinuddin, gareeb nawaz" are > > >> without any lyrical or music value". So, I think the start itself is > > >> badly thought up. > > >> > > >> But then the song starts with lovely music BUT, BUT BUT poor lyrics. A > > >> typical lack of creativity in the monotonous, "logically-built up" > > >> lyrics as is usually the case with Javed Akhtar. > > >> > > >> Khwaja Mere Khwaja > > >> Dil Mein Sama ja > > >> Bebaso ki Taqdeer > > >> Tu ne hai sawari > > >> > > >> There is no rhyming, no deep devotion. All that "dil mein sama ja" type > > >> of phrases had been used a 1000 times in cheap ladki-pataao songs in 60s > > > > >> and here he comes up with that in a 21st century devotional song. > > >> > > >> I would say that the major failure of the song remains in the poor > > >> lyrics. Then, it fails in arrangements of vocals. None of the voices > > >> carry and ethos and pathos. They are just singing an any song, not a > > >> religious song for the most respected muslim personality of Indian > > >> subcontinent. pronunciations are also not clear. that bebaso ki taqdeer > > >> tu ne hai sanwari, has bebaso and tu ne pronounced so pooorly that one > > >> has to strain to hear it and make the meaning of it. Sad that it is our > > >> man himself. > > >> > > >> And then "Tere darbaar mein khwaza noor ko mainne dekha" has noor > > >> pronounced so poorly by our man himself, and then there are alaaps, and > > >> then the music gives the impression that the line is going to be > > >> repeated, tere darbar mein khwaja - but they drop the line > > >> unceremoniously and begin another line - sar jhukaate hain auliya. > > >> What was so great in mentioning that auliya sar jhukate hain, so what, > > >> is that why you feel respect for him? I think the respect should have > > >> come from within, not due to seeing how others are respecting him. > > >> > > >> and then "tu hai xxxx khwaja - rutaba hai pyara" chahne se tujhko > > >> mustafa ko paya" that xxx is still not clear to my aging ears. and > > >> lastly that "hai mere peer ka sadqa, tera daman hai thama," tali hai > > >> bala hamari, chhaya hai khumar tera, jitna bhi rashq karein beshaq, to > > >> ab hai XXX mere khwaja, tere kadmo ko mere rahnuma nahin chhodna gawara. > > > > >> I don't get what exactly is the concept. No rhyming, no poetry, just > > >> some words have got hammerred in. It must be the poorest lyrics by > > Javed. > > >> > > >> I would say that ARR's voice is also not as sweet enough as he is famed > > >> for, there is a rare shrillness, a hollow in ARR's voice that I don't > > >> remember having heard in any other song. May be he was trying a new > > >> voice but it didn't suit my ears. > > >> > > >> all the internal aalaaps also are confusing, making it a classical song. > > > > >> They are not even bringing a sense of a trance. > > >> > > >> And as I already said once that JA music was a personal music and didn't > > > > >> reflect the lavishness of the film. > > >> > > >> I think I can describe now what I meant by that personal vs lavishness. > > >> Listen to the music between 3:40 - 4:05. That Persian sort of. Now, that > > > > >> is what I call a royal music, that has lavishness, that has luxury, that > > > > >> is group music, public music. Also the instrument that stars playing at > > >> the backdrop at about 6:10 and continues till the end of song. that > > >> single instrument is giving a royal touch to the song. That type of > > >> music is what I expected to be everywhere in JA music and background, > > >> but no, we didn't get that. Our man had different ideas about music > > >> suitable for the emperor of India. Compare the above two sounds to the > > >> sound at 1:20-1:45. Now this 1:20 sound is what I call a personal sound, > > > > >> lacking royal touch. It is a commoner's, a poor man's sound, now > > >> suitable for a period film. > > >> > > >> Seeing so many members liking the song so much, mentioning it as their > > >> most fav song, etc., I tried to listen to it several times, but this is > > >> one song of ARR that I found lacking in almost each and every aspect. > > >> -- > > >> > > >> Compare that to D6's Arziyaan. Now, Arziyaan is a prayer song that > > >> carries you with it and you forget yourself love the journey . perfect > > >> sounds, music, emotional voices, all pathos, stopping just short of > > >> melodrama of so many manmohan desai's religious songs. I wonder what > > >> those who had loved khwaja feel about Arziyaan? One can't go on liking > > >> every song otherwise it becomes a hype. One has to love some songs and > > >> find some other songs not up to the mark, only then his appraisal of the > > > > >> songs appear realistic. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Rawat > > > > > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > Pradeepan. > > "All you need to do is, decide what to do with the time that is given to you > !" >
