My personal judgment. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:06 PM, V S Rawat <vsra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 9/11/2009 6:56 PM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > > > I am hearing the words mediocre and average being thrown around in > > some places to describe Blue's music in some reviews. Guys, how can > > such brilliant work be average? > > It is a person's personal judgment whether a work is brilliant. > > Similarly, it is some other person's personal judgment whether a work is > not brilliant, and is mediocre, below average. > > > The depth of compositions and > > intricate orchestration and arrangements is anything BUT average or > > below. Even saying above average is a huge understatement. > > You started with "lyrics are said to be bad", then you take a switch to > "music is good" to say that "thus, lyrics also have to be good". see for > yourself. It is not really logical line of thinking. > > "depth of compositions and intricate orchestration and arrangements" is > one aspect of the song, and that may be brilliant. Similarly, words/ > lyrics are another a different aspect of the song and they may be > mediocre/ below average while other aspects of songs are brilliant. One > part being great doesn't make an entire song great. One part being > wanting doesn't make overall song lacking. > > For example, in recent times, chak de india's song kuch kariye had such > lovely, heart touching, earthly lyrics by an unknown "Jaideep Sahni" > that would do even a Gulzar or Ghalib or Meer proud, but the music, was > just ok, went too fast to let people absorb the lyrics, and the khichdi > of "loud in comparison" "chak de India" refrain, and female chorus, > backgroun just "killed/ murdered/spoiled" the beauty of the mukhda/ > stanza portion of lyrics. This song should be taught in class room as > the perfect case how to kill great lyrics. > > Similarly, Taare Zameen Par, had excellent hearth touching lyrics in > "dekho inhein hain os ki boondein", tune, music also good, still the > song went a tad slow, too soft, introvert, subdued that it didn't get > the prominence it could have deserved. "Maa" of the same movie were too > emotional in lyrics, music and singing that it deserve to not get > popular, irrespective of award it fetched for the singer. > > Again, all these are my personal judgment. > > ARR's Zindagi of Yuvraj has everything great, music, lyrics, whatever > else. However, Ghajini's Kaise mujhe though we all like that a lot, now > I think that that song is lacking something that I can't pinpoint > really. may be, it went a tad too loud, sort of a "declaration" for a > emotional song that should have been introspective - a la zindagi. > > But, other songs of ghajini -- and I am not speaking of latto and > bachchoo which were intentionally kept cheap, had poor lyrics. The most > popular guzarish had lyrics that a 10th standard child poet might write, > just putting rhyming words matching scale - no thought, no concept, no > inner beauty, no content - that was wordsmithing, words being fitted to > give the shape of a song like a menial worker putting physical things to > fit in a shape. Even then it got popular. > > Coming to lyrics of ballooo, blooo, ullooo, falloo, there are good urdu > words put at places, that had not earlier been used much in ARR songs, > so they sound good. But that is it and that is all. There is not much > depth vibrating through entire song. These are just individual separate > pieces that are good lyrics, but none of the entire song is a single > whole entity having a life of its own, no single thought or line of > thought peeking from the entire songs. > > It is a general feeling that ARR is quite confident (though I think "too > proud" would have explained it better but that would hurt several of > you) about his musical instincts and creativity, and I concede that > rightly so, but that makes him ignore lyrics "intentionally". Seems as > if he considers lyrics are necessary evil and he is compromising the > greatness of his music by putting lyrics in it. Sometimes he gets good > poets so good lyrics come up but not as a rule of ARR songs, just > because of the individual presence of a good lyrics writer who is not > ready to compromise. Seems ARR's standard of lyrics is as low as > "jurrasic park mein sundar se jode rap music gaaye jam ke" or "patti > rap" or "latka jhatka" or "telephone dhun mein hansne wali" sort of > cheapness presented in the name of lyrics. > > Again, all these are my personal judgment. > > Blue lyrics are better than Ghajini's, but still writer is appeaing as > novice who might have good potential in future, but is a kid learning > and experimenting at present. > > Again, all these are my personal judgment. > > Coming to music, I have been hearing Blue now for most of some 48 hours, > and my conclusion is this. > > Blue music sounds so rich and complex as none of ARR's earlier album had > been in toto till now. > > But, it lacks content, it is showbiz, it is decorative, it is soulless, > it is all glitter and nothing else. I am listening to it and liking the > beats etc., but it is not giving me internal intellectual emotional > satisfaction that several of ARR's earlier words had given me. > > I don't know how many of you have heard "muqabla" in last one year or > decade, that once went so popular that dozens of copycats mushroomed on > it, its copies even went in two full fledged hindi movies, but how many > of us are still listening it, how many of us listen to hello doctor or > Kay Sara Sara. Such songs have a smaller lifespan. New catchy beats make > them popular and then mind memorizes the beats pattern and the song > looses charm leaving nothing emotional/ intellectual for the heart/ mind > to cherish, and the song becomes boring or dead. > > Blue songs are also like that. Will go very popular but will die after > that and no one will humm them or listen to them while they still go and > will keep on going back to Dil Se after 11 years of its release or > Rangeela or Taal or Bombay or Guru after years and ages of their release. > > Blue is ARR becoming commercial, though I agree that being commercial is > not a bad thing in a commercial world. But, in blue, ARR has become > purely 100% commercial, compromising his inner instinct of what he knew > and trusted and gave for his fans' various tastes. This is not a good > indication of the things that future holds from ARR and for ARR. > > Thanks for putting me into blabbering spree. > -- > Rawat > > > Keep in mind, I'm not downing anyone who doesn't like the music due > > to personal taste...have no problem with that. But to call the music > > average when it is clearly musically superior in compositional terms > > is just false. > > > > I can't believe how much I'm posting about Blue's music. You can > > tell I'm very excited and very happy.....almost bubbling with joy and > > can't contain myself from posting here to express it! > > > > Thanks Gopal for creating a group that allows me to post my thoughts > > and feelings so freely!! > > > > >
