yes Vishal...playing an unreal tournament against Rahman's creation is very 'humble opinion'
--Rahman doesn't waste his time listening to 'chigy wigy' after album release.... humblest opinion --Blue CD's sound quality is not bearable---- very humble indeed --80% of Rahman's recent works resembles to something else (with no solid proof).... such an humble idea ++ Some guys are telling Ajj Dil is messy.... I ask you...so many times all fans listen to the song... and complaining.... no one noticed/discussed so far Rahman's brilliance at 5:13- to -5:14min where a sound appears...where it's exactly of a sound if someone releases his breath beneath the water..... no thread on that...only thread going on 'sound quality' is not good.... ++how many posts did I see on 'Swadesh' 'Yui hi chala chal rahi'...where Rahman used Doppler's effect on a song.... none.... but everybody can put there 'humble opinion' criticising Rahman...instead of finding his hidden gems..... ++In the song 'Dheemi dheemi' there is a mistake in the bit... anyone who knows 'taal' if listens carefully can catch that.... nobody talks about that... only talking about sound system/5.1/7.1/some non-music lecture.... Also...another point... when you are telling 'Music is not like mathematics'.... I disagree... you are partially correct...... Music is not like mathematics... I would say 'music is entirely based on mathematics'.... who doesn't learn 'taal' he will never ever learn music...which is nothing but mathematics.... I comprehend/accumulate Rahman's music.... live with Rahman's music.... proud to be Rahman follower....Rahman's prayer is to his God.... my prayer is to listeneing to Rahman's music..... I can't help if hubristic nature reflects in my posts.... Arijit 2009/9/12 patevis3 <vishal1...@hotmail.com> > > > I agree with Rawat to some extent here. Music is not like mathematics where > there are objective realities/facts. Opinions about the goodness or quality > of music are always going to be subjective. > > And Arijit's point about lack of music knowledge is hubristic (in my, > admittedly not so humble opinion). > > Vishal > http://vishal12.wordpress.com/2009/09/10/blue-music-review/ > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > Arijit Debnath <arijit...@...> wrote: > > > > Listeners seem to be average..... sometimes... lack of knowledge of music > > are evident in some posts... > > > > Rahman is musicians' composer... not an average listener's composer..... > > > > I think who doesn't like Mozart's or Rahman's composition..... they > should > > not open their mouth...it's their shame... > > > > Arijit > > > > 2009/9/11 ichord <purev...@...> > > > > > > > > > > > Would love to hear your thoughts Wiredbeats. As a musician and composer > > > myself, I can clearly say with factual certainty that in terms of pure > > > compositional and musical terms only for a bollywood soundtrack, Blue > is a > > > masterpiece. It's not a personal judgement but a fact. What I will > agree to > > > is that whether you like the album due to taste or preference or > whatever, > > > that is an opinion, not a fact. Blue's music is compositionally > brilliant > > > due to intelligent harmonies, complex chord progressions, intricate > > > orchestral variations, depth of sound, and varied use of sounds and > > > instruments all weaving together at once. If you want to call the music > > > average because you don't like that type of music, fine, but that is > only an > > > opinion due to preference, not because the music itself is just run of > the > > > mill. > > > > > > A lot of people don't like Mozart's music, but the music is not average > by > > > any means.....it's intelligent and brilliant on an objective scale. > > > > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > > > <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com><arrahmanfans% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > wiredbeats <wiredbeats@> wrote: > > > > > > > > fastastically written, some very valid points in here.i have some > > > thoughts. Will type them out later > > > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:06 IST V S Rawat wrote: > > > > > > > > >On 9/11/2009 6:56 PM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I am hearing the words mediocre and average being thrown around in > > > > >> some places to describe Blue's music in some reviews. Guys, how > can > > > > >> such brilliant work be average? > > > > > > > > > >It is a person's personal judgment whether a work is brilliant. > > > > > > > > > >Similarly, it is some other person's personal judgment whether a > work is > > > > > > > > not brilliant, and is mediocre, below average. > > > > > > > > > >> The depth of compositions and > > > > >> intricate orchestration and arrangements is anything BUT average > or > > > > >> below. Even saying above average is a huge understatement. > > > > > > > > > >You started with "lyrics are said to be bad", then you take a switch > to > > > > >"music is good" to say that "thus, lyrics also have to be good". see > for > > > > > > > >yourself. It is not really logical line of thinking. > > > > > > > > > >"depth of compositions and intricate orchestration and arrangements" > is > > > > >one aspect of the song, and that may be brilliant. Similarly, words/ > > > > >lyrics are another a different aspect of the song and they may be > > > > >mediocre/ below average while other aspects of songs are brilliant. > One > > > > >part being great doesn't make an entire song great. One part being > > > > >wanting doesn't make overall song lacking. > > > > > > > > > >For example, in recent times, chak de india's song kuch kariye had > such > > > > >lovely, heart touching, earthly lyrics by an unknown "Jaideep Sahni" > > > > >that would do even a Gulzar or Ghalib or Meer proud, but the music, > was > > > > >just ok, went too fast to let people absorb the lyrics, and the > khichdi > > > > >of "loud in comparison" "chak de India" refrain, and female chorus, > > > > >backgroun just "killed/ murdered/spoiled" the beauty of the mukhda/ > > > > >stanza portion of lyrics. This song should be taught in class room > as > > > > >the perfect case how to kill great lyrics. > > > > > > > > > >Similarly, Taare Zameen Par, had excellent hearth touching lyrics in > > > > >"dekho inhein hain os ki boondein", tune, music also good, still the > > > > >song went a tad slow, too soft, introvert, subdued that it didn't > get > > > > >the prominence it could have deserved. "Maa" of the same movie were > too > > > > >emotional in lyrics, music and singing that it deserve to not get > > > > >popular, irrespective of award it fetched for the singer. > > > > > > > > > >Again, all these are my personal judgment. > > > > > > > > > >ARR's Zindagi of Yuvraj has everything great, music, lyrics, > whatever > > > > >else. However, Ghajini's Kaise mujhe though we all like that a lot, > now > > > > >I think that that song is lacking something that I can't pinpoint > > > > >really. may be, it went a tad too loud, sort of a "declaration" for > a > > > > >emotional song that should have been introspective - a la zindagi. > > > > > > > > > >But, other songs of ghajini -- and I am not speaking of latto and > > > > >bachchoo which were intentionally kept cheap, had poor lyrics. The > most > > > > >popular guzarish had lyrics that a 10th standard child poet might > write, > > > > > > > >just putting rhyming words matching scale - no thought, no concept, > no > > > > >inner beauty, no content - that was wordsmithing, words being fitted > to > > > > >give the shape of a song like a menial worker putting physical > things to > > > > > > > >fit in a shape. Even then it got popular. > > > > > > > > > >Coming to lyrics of ballooo, blooo, ullooo, falloo, there are good > urdu > > > > >words put at places, that had not earlier been used much in ARR > songs, > > > > >so they sound good. But that is it and that is all. There is not > much > > > > >depth vibrating through entire song. These are just individual > separate > > > > >pieces that are good lyrics, but none of the entire song is a single > > > > >whole entity having a life of its own, no single thought or line of > > > > >thought peeking from the entire songs. > > > > > > > > > >It is a general feeling that ARR is quite confident (though I think > "too > > > > > > > >proud" would have explained it better but that would hurt several of > > > > >you) about his musical instincts and creativity, and I concede that > > > > >rightly so, but that makes him ignore lyrics "intentionally". Seems > as > > > > >if he considers lyrics are necessary evil and he is compromising the > > > > >greatness of his music by putting lyrics in it. Sometimes he gets > good > > > > >poets so good lyrics come up but not as a rule of ARR songs, just > > > > >because of the individual presence of a good lyrics writer who is > not > > > > >ready to compromise. Seems ARR's standard of lyrics is as low as > > > > >"jurrasic park mein sundar se jode rap music gaaye jam ke" or "patti > > > > >rap" or "latka jhatka" or "telephone dhun mein hansne wali" sort of > > > > >cheapness presented in the name of lyrics. > > > > > > > > > >Again, all these are my personal judgment. > > > > > > > > > >Blue lyrics are better than Ghajini's, but still writer is appeaing > as > > > > >novice who might have good potential in future, but is a kid > learning > > > > >and experimenting at present. > > > > > > > > > >Again, all these are my personal judgment. > > > > > > > > > >Coming to music, I have been hearing Blue now for most of some 48 > hours, > > > > > > > > and my conclusion is this. > > > > > > > > > >Blue music sounds so rich and complex as none of ARR's earlier album > had > > > > > > > >been in toto till now. > > > > > > > > > >But, it lacks content, it is showbiz, it is decorative, it is > soulless, > > > > >it is all glitter and nothing else. I am listening to it and liking > the > > > > >beats etc., but it is not giving me internal intellectual emotional > > > > >satisfaction that several of ARR's earlier words had given me. > > > > > > > > > >I don't know how many of you have heard "muqabla" in last one year > or > > > > >decade, that once went so popular that dozens of copycats mushroomed > on > > > > >it, its copies even went in two full fledged hindi movies, but how > many > > > > >of us are still listening it, how many of us listen to hello doctor > or > > > > >Kay Sara Sara. Such songs have a smaller lifespan. New catchy beats > make > > > > > > > >them popular and then mind memorizes the beats pattern and the song > > > > >looses charm leaving nothing emotional/ intellectual for the heart/ > mind > > > > > > > >to cherish, and the song becomes boring or dead. > > > > > > > > > >Blue songs are also like that. Will go very popular but will die > after > > > > >that and no one will humm them or listen to them while they still go > and > > > > > > > >will keep on going back to Dil Se after 11 years of its release or > > > > >Rangeela or Taal or Bombay or Guru after years and ages of their > > > release. > > > > > > > > > >Blue is ARR becoming commercial, though I agree that being > commercial is > > > > > > > >not a bad thing in a commercial world. But, in blue, ARR has become > > > > >purely 100% commercial, compromising his inner instinct of what he > knew > > > > >and trusted and gave for his fans' various tastes. This is not a > good > > > > >indication of the things that future holds from ARR and for ARR. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks for putting me into blabbering spree. > > > > >-- > > > > >Rawat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Keep in mind, I'm not downing anyone who doesn't like the music > due > > > > >> to personal taste...have no problem with that. But to call the > music > > > > >> average when it is clearly musically superior in compositional > terms > > > > >> is just false. > > > > >> > > > > >> I can't believe how much I'm posting about Blue's music. You can > > > > >> tell I'm very excited and very happy.....almost bubbling with joy > and > > > > >> can't contain myself from posting here to express it! > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks Gopal for creating a group that allows me to post my > thoughts > > > > >> and feelings so freely!! > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn > more. > > > http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
