Listeners seem to be average..... sometimes... lack of knowledge of music are evident in some posts...
Rahman is musicians' composer... not an average listener's composer..... I think who doesn't like Mozart's or Rahman's composition..... they should not open their mouth...it's their shame... Arijit 2009/9/11 ichord <purev...@yahoo.com> > > > Would love to hear your thoughts Wiredbeats. As a musician and composer > myself, I can clearly say with factual certainty that in terms of pure > compositional and musical terms only for a bollywood soundtrack, Blue is a > masterpiece. It's not a personal judgement but a fact. What I will agree to > is that whether you like the album due to taste or preference or whatever, > that is an opinion, not a fact. Blue's music is compositionally brilliant > due to intelligent harmonies, complex chord progressions, intricate > orchestral variations, depth of sound, and varied use of sounds and > instruments all weaving together at once. If you want to call the music > average because you don't like that type of music, fine, but that is only an > opinion due to preference, not because the music itself is just run of the > mill. > > A lot of people don't like Mozart's music, but the music is not average by > any means.....it's intelligent and brilliant on an objective scale. > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > wiredbeats <wiredbe...@...> wrote: > > > > fastastically written, some very valid points in here.i have some > thoughts. Will type them out later > > > > On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:06 IST V S Rawat wrote: > > > > >On 9/11/2009 6:56 PM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: > > > > > >> I am hearing the words mediocre and average being thrown around in > > >> some places to describe Blue's music in some reviews. Guys, how can > > >> such brilliant work be average? > > > > > >It is a person's personal judgment whether a work is brilliant. > > > > > >Similarly, it is some other person's personal judgment whether a work is > > > > not brilliant, and is mediocre, below average. > > > > > >> The depth of compositions and > > >> intricate orchestration and arrangements is anything BUT average or > > >> below. Even saying above average is a huge understatement. > > > > > >You started with "lyrics are said to be bad", then you take a switch to > > >"music is good" to say that "thus, lyrics also have to be good". see for > > > >yourself. It is not really logical line of thinking. > > > > > >"depth of compositions and intricate orchestration and arrangements" is > > >one aspect of the song, and that may be brilliant. Similarly, words/ > > >lyrics are another a different aspect of the song and they may be > > >mediocre/ below average while other aspects of songs are brilliant. One > > >part being great doesn't make an entire song great. One part being > > >wanting doesn't make overall song lacking. > > > > > >For example, in recent times, chak de india's song kuch kariye had such > > >lovely, heart touching, earthly lyrics by an unknown "Jaideep Sahni" > > >that would do even a Gulzar or Ghalib or Meer proud, but the music, was > > >just ok, went too fast to let people absorb the lyrics, and the khichdi > > >of "loud in comparison" "chak de India" refrain, and female chorus, > > >backgroun just "killed/ murdered/spoiled" the beauty of the mukhda/ > > >stanza portion of lyrics. This song should be taught in class room as > > >the perfect case how to kill great lyrics. > > > > > >Similarly, Taare Zameen Par, had excellent hearth touching lyrics in > > >"dekho inhein hain os ki boondein", tune, music also good, still the > > >song went a tad slow, too soft, introvert, subdued that it didn't get > > >the prominence it could have deserved. "Maa" of the same movie were too > > >emotional in lyrics, music and singing that it deserve to not get > > >popular, irrespective of award it fetched for the singer. > > > > > >Again, all these are my personal judgment. > > > > > >ARR's Zindagi of Yuvraj has everything great, music, lyrics, whatever > > >else. However, Ghajini's Kaise mujhe though we all like that a lot, now > > >I think that that song is lacking something that I can't pinpoint > > >really. may be, it went a tad too loud, sort of a "declaration" for a > > >emotional song that should have been introspective - a la zindagi. > > > > > >But, other songs of ghajini -- and I am not speaking of latto and > > >bachchoo which were intentionally kept cheap, had poor lyrics. The most > > >popular guzarish had lyrics that a 10th standard child poet might write, > > > >just putting rhyming words matching scale - no thought, no concept, no > > >inner beauty, no content - that was wordsmithing, words being fitted to > > >give the shape of a song like a menial worker putting physical things to > > > >fit in a shape. Even then it got popular. > > > > > >Coming to lyrics of ballooo, blooo, ullooo, falloo, there are good urdu > > >words put at places, that had not earlier been used much in ARR songs, > > >so they sound good. But that is it and that is all. There is not much > > >depth vibrating through entire song. These are just individual separate > > >pieces that are good lyrics, but none of the entire song is a single > > >whole entity having a life of its own, no single thought or line of > > >thought peeking from the entire songs. > > > > > >It is a general feeling that ARR is quite confident (though I think "too > > > >proud" would have explained it better but that would hurt several of > > >you) about his musical instincts and creativity, and I concede that > > >rightly so, but that makes him ignore lyrics "intentionally". Seems as > > >if he considers lyrics are necessary evil and he is compromising the > > >greatness of his music by putting lyrics in it. Sometimes he gets good > > >poets so good lyrics come up but not as a rule of ARR songs, just > > >because of the individual presence of a good lyrics writer who is not > > >ready to compromise. Seems ARR's standard of lyrics is as low as > > >"jurrasic park mein sundar se jode rap music gaaye jam ke" or "patti > > >rap" or "latka jhatka" or "telephone dhun mein hansne wali" sort of > > >cheapness presented in the name of lyrics. > > > > > >Again, all these are my personal judgment. > > > > > >Blue lyrics are better than Ghajini's, but still writer is appeaing as > > >novice who might have good potential in future, but is a kid learning > > >and experimenting at present. > > > > > >Again, all these are my personal judgment. > > > > > >Coming to music, I have been hearing Blue now for most of some 48 hours, > > > > and my conclusion is this. > > > > > >Blue music sounds so rich and complex as none of ARR's earlier album had > > > >been in toto till now. > > > > > >But, it lacks content, it is showbiz, it is decorative, it is soulless, > > >it is all glitter and nothing else. I am listening to it and liking the > > >beats etc., but it is not giving me internal intellectual emotional > > >satisfaction that several of ARR's earlier words had given me. > > > > > >I don't know how many of you have heard "muqabla" in last one year or > > >decade, that once went so popular that dozens of copycats mushroomed on > > >it, its copies even went in two full fledged hindi movies, but how many > > >of us are still listening it, how many of us listen to hello doctor or > > >Kay Sara Sara. Such songs have a smaller lifespan. New catchy beats make > > > >them popular and then mind memorizes the beats pattern and the song > > >looses charm leaving nothing emotional/ intellectual for the heart/ mind > > > >to cherish, and the song becomes boring or dead. > > > > > >Blue songs are also like that. Will go very popular but will die after > > >that and no one will humm them or listen to them while they still go and > > > >will keep on going back to Dil Se after 11 years of its release or > > >Rangeela or Taal or Bombay or Guru after years and ages of their > release. > > > > > >Blue is ARR becoming commercial, though I agree that being commercial is > > > >not a bad thing in a commercial world. But, in blue, ARR has become > > >purely 100% commercial, compromising his inner instinct of what he knew > > >and trusted and gave for his fans' various tastes. This is not a good > > >indication of the things that future holds from ARR and for ARR. > > > > > >Thanks for putting me into blabbering spree. > > >-- > > >Rawat > > > > > > > > >> Keep in mind, I'm not downing anyone who doesn't like the music due > > >> to personal taste...have no problem with that. But to call the music > > >> average when it is clearly musically superior in compositional terms > > >> is just false. > > >> > > >> I can't believe how much I'm posting about Blue's music. You can > > >> tell I'm very excited and very happy.....almost bubbling with joy and > > >> can't contain myself from posting here to express it! > > >> > > >> Thanks Gopal for creating a group that allows me to post my thoughts > > >> and feelings so freely!! > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. > http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > >
