That could be the root cause, and if that is the root cause, than that is not a **good ** design Seems to me a good design would be a one in which a "small" process, let's say 50 MB big, can extract the definitions from the tables, do the formatting/conversion, and dump that into a text file.
But what troubles me the most is that this problem has not been effectively addressed and resolved by BMC, BMC being a quite a large company, and having acquired the Remedy Corp 6 years ago from that accident of nature Peregrine. If BMC can devote the resources to R&D to create discovery tools like topology discovery, the new CMDB 7.5 stuff and so one and so forth, why can't this simple and old problem be fixed? IMHO, there is not much room for an excuse. -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Joe DeSouza Sent: Tue 06/16/09 12:26 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with DevStudio? I think one of the reasons for that is the ARS tends to reads all the selected objects and loads it into its memory and tries to create a def file from it in a single massive write.. As a result of that when too many objects are selected, the client process soon runs out of memory.. Unlike ARSSmarts maybe? Which may be performing the same action by chunking it? Joe ________________________________ From: Guillaume Rheault <guilla...@dcshq.com> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 4:24:18 PM Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with DevStudio? ** Thanks for the reply Lyle. I am running DevStudio on my PC which is Windows XP, so I believe I am out of luck, since the extended virtual addressing is only available for Windows server OS. But again I am no Windows expert, so I could be wrong. Here is an interesting article I found about this. http://www.demandtech.com/Resources/Papers/Virtual%20memory%20constraints%20in%2032bit%20Windows.pdf That being said, even with 1250 MB allocated to DevStudio, there should be a way to get all these definitions out of the database and into a text file. It seems to me BMC has not paid enough attention to this problem to really really resolve. If a tool like ARSmarts can in theory export everything (I'll test that shortly), why can't DeveloperStudio? Thanks for your replies Guillaume -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Lyle Taylor Sent: Mon 06/15/09 4:04 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with DevStudio? I've never been able to get a JVM much about 1536, but I've never had a problem going to there (haven't tried taking DevStudio that far, though). The issue is that the JVM also needs to have its own memory that is separate from the heap space that it is allocating to your program. That extra memory is shared with the heap, so the combination of the two will be 2 Gig. As a result, you will never be able to actually allocate 2 Gigs of memory to the Java heap. That said, you could try enabling the option in Windows that allows processes to take up to 3GB instead of just 2 - that might let you get higher. I can't recall exactly what it is right now, though... Lyle From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:59 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with DevStudio? ** Actually the maximum memory setting that I can specify in my devstudio.ini is 1354 MB: -vmargs -Xms64m -Xmx1354m This is really weird.... -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Mon 06/15/09 3:48 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with DevStudio? David, I cannot increase my maximum memory JRE setting for DevStudio past 1280 MB. Shouldn't I be able to increase it to 2048 MB? What is the maximum memory setting for DevStudio? Thanks, Guillaume -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Easter, David Sent: Mon 06/15/09 3:41 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with DevStudio? In AR System 7.5.00, the timeout for the C and Java APIs was increased to 8 hours. That was to address the ARERR 93 that is received on large exports, which represents a timeout. The issue below is stated as running out of memory, which sounds like a different issue. -David J. Easter Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development BMC Software, Inc. The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc. My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Carey Matthew Black Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:19 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with DevStudio? Guillaume, I have not tested it with DS.(DevStudio) This issue has been discussed on ARSList (and reported to the vendor) multiple times across multiple version(AKA: years). However, in previous Admin Tool version I think you will find that the problem is actually a client timeout at the C API layer. Basically the Application Server can not get the objects together in one big string fast enough to return to the client before the client decides that the server fell off the face of the planet. And the last time I asked Tech support... there is no environment setting that you can set to adjust the timeout. So there is no known way to override the "reasonable" timeout when you know your doing something that will take a very long time to complete. In the past an approach to workaround this is to use things like Driver, or an API program to loop over all of the objects and export them one at a time. Maybe DS fixed that problem? ( But it does not sound like it to me.) What is amazing to me is that BMC Tech Support considers the fact that you can not export all of the objects at one time to be a "performance problem" and it is "the customers implementation" that is the root cause of the condition. (AKA: They are not even willing to open a bug against the version/API. So they take no responsibility and have no interest in re-implementing anything to avoid the problem of "slow customer hardware". And I have yet to have anyone from the company confirm that they have hardware that can actually do the task either.) -- Carey Matthew Black BMC Remedy AR System Skilled Professional (RSP) ARS = Action Request System(Remedy) Love, then teach Solution = People + Process + Tools Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two. > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:arsl...@arslist.org] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:03 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with DevStudio? > > ** > > This is very frustrating and something that I hoped it was going to be > addressed in DevStudio. > I cannot export all the ITSM 7.5 definitions with DevStudio in one > export operation. I cannot even export all the forms in one operation > with DevStudio, I get an out of memory error, that I attached. My PC > has 4 GBs of memory with 8 processors, so it's definitely not a > resource issue on my side, it's probably the DevStudio JRE that ran out of > memory. > > I really hate it not to be able to do a full definitions export in one shot: > you have to split the export in multiple chunks, which makes the > management of the def files much harder, it more much more time > consuming because of you have to monitor the exports and initiate a > new one once the previous completed, etc. > > When is BMC going to fully address and correct this?? It seems to me > the backup of the application code at the application level is > ESSENTIAL. I was really hoping that DevStudio would fix this very > significant problem, but it it did not happen. How can you do > effective release management and application version control if you > cannot even efficiently and effectively export the definitions?? > > For what it's worth, we have ITSM 7.5.1, where the app server is > running on Windows 2003 and the database is remote, it's 10gR2 running on > Solaris 10. > My PC has Windows XP. > > Has anybody been successful in exporting all the defs of ITSM 7.5 in > one export operation? > > -Guillaume _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
