I have to totally agree with "CodeBloat" and "Memory Hogs" - whadda you mean this laptop can only support 4GB - that won't run the OS + microsoft office :( and when is the last time you actually looked at your 'task icons' - how come I got about 25 background bits of junk running - but I digress...
I've developed a bunch of tools - and I'm working on the process with my company of releasing them to the wild so to say, sort of a "good faith" relationship "Geez if they can build that - lets get them in here on contract to do..." - but certain peeps in the company dont see it that way... If they get us in - that is our "value add"... Oh Well... round and round we go! On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Guillaume Rheault <guilla...@dcshq.com>wrote: > ** > > Hey Robert, 50 MB was just something politically correct in this > code-bloated day and age!! > I totally agree with you that it should be in that 10 KB range. > > You know if I post to the list that the executable programme should have a > KB magnitude, not MB, I may get some hatemail :-) !! > > Talk about code bloating when Vista needs a minimum of 2 GB of memory to > run OK, preferably 4 GB... No wonder why Microsoft is trying to rush Windows > 7 to be able to stuff that in the net books ASAP > > BTW, maybe you should license your Java programme to BMC... Sounds like a > good business opportunity!! > > Guillaume > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Robert > Molenda > Sent: Wed 06/17/09 5:03 AM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with > DevStudio? > > If you're a coder - search the ARS List - I posted a java chunk that > exports > the objects to a memory buffer, place simple code to do a 'fopen(),fwrite' > pass in there. Also very simple to run through the object list(s), to get > everything. > > What I feel internally is happening, instead of getting the objects in > smaller chunks they are building the entire list of objects to pass to the > function-call. > > compiled size of 50MB would be huge :) try something 10K :) > Robert Molenda > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Guillaume Rheault <guilla...@dcshq.com > >wrote: > > > ** > > > > That could be the root cause, and if that is the root cause, than that is > > not a **good ** design > > Seems to me a good design would be a one in which a "small" process, > let's > > say 50 MB big, can extract the definitions from the tables, do the > > formatting/conversion, and dump that into a text file. > > > > But what troubles me the most is that this problem has not been > effectively > > addressed and resolved by BMC, BMC being a quite a large company, and > having > > acquired the Remedy Corp 6 years ago from that accident of nature > Peregrine. > > If BMC can devote the resources to R&D to create discovery tools like > > topology discovery, the new CMDB 7.5 stuff and so one and so forth, why > > can't this simple and old problem be fixed? IMHO, there is not much room > for > > an excuse. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Joe > > DeSouza > > Sent: Tue 06/16/09 12:26 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with > > DevStudio? > > > > I think one of the reasons for that is the ARS tends to reads all the > > selected objects and loads it into its memory and tries to create a def > file > > from it in a single massive write.. As a result of that when too many > > objects are selected, the client process soon runs out of memory.. > > > > Unlike ARSSmarts maybe? Which may be performing the same action by > chunking > > it? > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Guillaume Rheault <guilla...@dcshq.com> > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 4:24:18 PM > > Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with > > DevStudio? > > > > ** > > Thanks for the reply Lyle. I am running DevStudio on my PC which is > Windows > > XP, so I believe I am out of luck, since the extended virtual addressing > is > > only available for Windows server OS. But again I am no Windows expert, > so I > > could be wrong. Here is an interesting article I found about this. > > > > > > > http://www.demandtech.com/Resources/Papers/Virtual%20memory%20constraints%20in%2032bit%20Windows.pdf > > > > That being said, even with 1250 MB allocated to DevStudio, there should > be > > a way to get all these definitions out of the database and into a text > file. > > It seems to me BMC has not paid enough attention to this problem to > really > > really resolve. If a tool like ARSmarts can in theory export everything > > (I'll test that shortly), why can't DeveloperStudio? > > > > Thanks for your replies > > > > Guillaume > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Lyle > > Taylor > > Sent: Mon 06/15/09 4:04 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with > > DevStudio? > > > > I've never been able to get a JVM much about 1536, but I've never had a > > problem going to there (haven't tried taking DevStudio that far, though). > > The issue is that the JVM also needs to have its own memory that is > separate > > from the heap space that it is allocating to your program. That extra > > memory is shared with the heap, so the combination of the two will be 2 > > Gig. As a result, you will never be able to actually allocate 2 Gigs of > > memory to the Java heap. > > > > That said, you could try enabling the option in Windows that allows > > processes to take up to 3GB instead of just 2 - that might let you get > > higher. I can't recall exactly what it is right now, though... > > > > Lyle > > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > > mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] > On Behalf Of Guillaume > > Rheault > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 1:59 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with > > DevStudio? > > > > ** > > > > Actually the maximum memory setting that I can specify in my > devstudio.ini > > is 1354 MB: > > > > -vmargs > > -Xms64m > > -Xmx1354m > > > > This is really weird.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of > Guillaume > > Rheault > > Sent: Mon 06/15/09 3:48 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with > > DevStudio? > > > > David, I cannot increase my maximum memory JRE setting for DevStudio past > > 1280 MB. > > Shouldn't I be able to increase it to 2048 MB? What is the maximum memory > > setting for DevStudio? > > > > Thanks, Guillaume > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Easter, > > David > > Sent: Mon 06/15/09 3:41 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with > > DevStudio? > > > > In AR System 7.5.00, the timeout for the C and Java APIs was increased to > 8 > > hours. That was to address the ARERR 93 that is received on large > exports, > > which represents a timeout. The issue below is stated as running out of > > memory, which sounds like a different issue. > > > > -David J. Easter > > Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development > > BMC Software, Inc. > > > > The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in > > this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc. My > > voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as > a > > spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC > Software, > > Inc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > > mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] > On Behalf Of Carey > > Matthew Black > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:19 PM > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with > > DevStudio? > > > > Guillaume, > > > > I have not tested it with DS.(DevStudio) > > > > This issue has been discussed on ARSList (and reported to the vendor) > > multiple times across multiple version(AKA: years). > > > > However, in previous Admin Tool version I think you will find that the > > problem is actually a client timeout at the C API layer. Basically the > > Application Server can not get the objects together in one big string > fast > > enough to return to the client before the client decides that the server > > fell off the face of the planet. > > > > And the last time I asked Tech support... there is no environment setting > > that you can set to adjust the timeout. So there is no known way to > override > > the "reasonable" timeout when you know your doing something that will > take a > > very long time to complete. > > > > > > In the past an approach to workaround this is to use things like Driver, > or > > an API program to loop over all of the objects and export them one at a > > time. > > > > Maybe DS fixed that problem? ( But it does not sound like it to me.) > > > > > > What is amazing to me is that BMC Tech Support considers the fact that > you > > can not export all of the objects at one time to be a "performance > problem" > > and it is "the customers implementation" that is the root cause of the > > condition. (AKA: They are not even willing to open a bug against the > > version/API. So they take no responsibility and have no interest in > > re-implementing anything to avoid the problem of "slow customer > hardware". > > And I have yet to have anyone from the company confirm that they have > > hardware that can actually do the task either.) > > > > -- > > Carey Matthew Black > > BMC Remedy AR System Skilled Professional (RSP) ARS = Action Request > > System(Remedy) > > > > Love, then teach > > Solution = People + Process + Tools > > Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two. > > > > > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > > > [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> <arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] > On Behalf Of > > > Guillaume Rheault > > > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:03 PM > > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > > Subject: Anybody able to export all ITSM 7.x definitions with > DevStudio? > > > > > > ** > > > > > > This is very frustrating and something that I hoped it was going to be > > > addressed in DevStudio. > > > I cannot export all the ITSM 7.5 definitions with DevStudio in one > > > export operation. I cannot even export all the forms in one operation > > > with DevStudio, I get an out of memory error, that I attached. My PC > > > has 4 GBs of memory with 8 processors, so it's definitely not a > > > resource issue on my side, it's probably the DevStudio JRE that ran out > > of memory. > > > > > > I really hate it not to be able to do a full definitions export in one > > shot: > > > you have to split the export in multiple chunks, which makes the > > > management of the def files much harder, it more much more time > > > consuming because of you have to monitor the exports and initiate a > > > new one once the previous completed, etc. > > > > > > When is BMC going to fully address and correct this?? It seems to me > > > the backup of the application code at the application level is > > > ESSENTIAL. I was really hoping that DevStudio would fix this very > > > significant problem, but it it did not happen. How can you do > > > effective release management and application version control if you > > > cannot even efficiently and effectively export the definitions?? > > > > > > For what it's worth, we have ITSM 7.5.1, where the app server is > > > running on Windows 2003 and the database is remote, it's 10gR2 running > on > > Solaris 10. > > > My PC has Windows XP. > > > > > > Has anybody been successful in exporting all the defs of ITSM 7.5 in > > > one export operation? > > > > > > -Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > > Platinum > > Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net<sponsor%3armisoluti...@verizon.net> > <sponsor%3armisoluti...@verizon.net > <sponsor%253armisoluti...@verizon.net>>ARSlist: > "Where the Answers Are" > > > > _Platinum Sponsor: rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the > Answers > > Are"_ > > > > > > -- > If it were not for the gutter, my mind would be homeless! > > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > Platinum > Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net<sponsor%3armisoluti...@verizon.net>ARSlist: > "Where the Answers Are" > > _Platinum Sponsor: rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers > Are"_ -- If it were not for the gutter, my mind would be homeless! _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:rmisoluti...@verizon.net ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
