Speaking of selective enforcement, the guy who was running Club Deep, owned by Asbury Partners, rode his bike on the boardwalk quite often. I never saw him get kicked off, or told to walk his bike.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I opened in '05. The city selectively enforced the ordinance in '05 > as well. But it worked to my advantage, as they didn't adversely > affect my business. On the contrary, when it was announced that the > city would begin enforcement (again, no consistency; it was the > middle of the season), the public came out in droves, and in support, > and increased rental revenues by 100%. Furthermore, the selective > enforcement worked for me, if you understand what I'm saying. > Therefore, when Kinmon suggested that it would indeed work for me > again in the '06 season, I had no reason to ever imagine it would go > as bad as it did. Thanks for asking. > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Fred" <asburydogma@> wrote: > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" <robert@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Did you open your business first, then talk to Reidy or visa versa? > > > > > > > > > > I agree. Knowing what I know now, I would not expect the city to do > > > anything in good faith; I just wish I had not come here with > blind > > > faith! Truly, my own fault for having a good heart, and being a > man > > > of my word. Shouldn't expect others to have such ethics; even > when > > it > > > could be good for them, > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson <nnjallans1@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > While I am sorry to hear about the toubles you had. You can > not > > > expect the city to suggest where you open. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > From: asburyparkpedaler <robert@> > > > > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 3:48:29 PM > > > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Asbury Park Bike Pedaler - Worth > Quoting > > > > > > > > When Reidy told me the plan, it sounded great. A center lane > with > > a > > > 5 > > > > MPH speed limit. Anyone operating outside of these guidelines > > would > > > > be enforced. What's the problem? Especially since roads were > not > > > > condusive to cycling, particularly with ocean view. The other > > thing > > > > that bothers me is that if Kinmon was willing to go out on a > limb > > > and > > > > tell me I'd not have a problem with rentals; it would not have > > been > > > > difficult for the city to alter ordinance to allow commercial > > > bikes; > > > > considering I had valid mercantile license. As for you, Fred, > you > > > do > > > > realize that my Shop only opened to the boardwalk, right? > > Shouldn't > > > > someone have at least suggested I open in a different location > > due > > > to > > > > the potential issues? > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why not be progressive? Exactly my thought. Bike lanes along > > the > > > > beach work in many > > > > > places, and they definitely would've worked in AP. The Strand > > in > > > LA > > > > is the best example I > > > > > can think of. Only difference is it's concrete rather then > > wood. > > > > When I lived in LA, tons and > > > > > tons of people shared the Strand every single day without > > > incident > > > > because they knew, > > > > > because of lines, that bikes and rollerbladers go here, and > > > walkers > > > > go there. We have the > > > > > widest boardwalk around. Plenty of room for everyone. > > > > > As for enforcing the rules, I had many varying encounters > with > > > > riding my bike on the > > > > > boardwalk. In the beginning of the summer, I did it all the > > time, > > > > and there were definitely > > > > > cops present, and nobody told me to stop. Then, toward the > end > > of > > > > the summer, I got > > > > > kicked off once, and like a good citizen I followed the > rules. > > > Next > > > > thing i knew, I was the > > > > > guy riding on the pothole ridden street, but there were still > > > > others riding on the > > > > > boardwalk, and nobody seemed to be enforcing that. > > > > > Also, one thing that amazed me is that many times, the > > boardwalk > > > > was nearly deserted, so > > > > > here's a rule that keeps people from riding on a deserted > > > > boardwalk. What is that? Even > > > > > nobody else is there, you can't go there either. Absurd. > > > > > As for Rita, I was at a council meeting where she began > bashing > > > > bikes, because one fricken > > > > > person had a bad encounter. Knee jerk reaction. > > > > > Welcome to bicycle friendly Asbury Park. What BS. > > > > > They need to stop calling this city bicycle friendly. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" > > <robert@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying that I would not have spent $14K on new rental > > units > > > > if I > > > > > > was told that they would enforce bike restrictions on the > > > > boardwalk > > > > > > in the upcoming season. You attitude towards this is > exactly > > > why > > > > this > > > > > > place is doomed to fail, yet again. Why not be progressive, > > > > > > particularly when the people being attracted here to buy > > homes > > > > are > > > > > > encouraging it? You and Rita would rather argue for the > sake > > of > > > > > > arguing. If I say black, you'll say white > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Fred" <asburydogma@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" > > > > <robert@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you are saying if the ordinance wasn't enforced you > > would > > > > have > > > > > > > stayed? You know who you should blame then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I would have been informed beforehand, I could have > > > changed > > > > the > > > > > > > > plan. But there was no reason to change the plan, as I > > was > > > > > > > > encouraged. Particularly when I asked about renting > prior > > > to > > > > > > > > purchasing the new fleet. If I was quoted as to city > > > > ordinances, > > > > > > > > which according to your ideals, should have been the > > > > protocol; I > > > > > > > > wouldn't have spent the money. But, since I trusted the > > > word > > > > of > > > > > > > city > > > > > > > > officials instead, I got screwed. Are you going to > start > > > > > > enforcing > > > > > > > > the ordinance of no bathing attire on boards or > adjacent > > > > > > walkways? > > > > > > > > SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT; understand, how it could be ok > in > > > the > > > > name > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > progress? No? Than enforce it! Enforce all those laws > > that > > > > will > > > > > > > mark > > > > > > > > dark ages instead of progress in the name of being > right! > > > You > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > I'm just saying they said it would be OK? Ask boardwalk > > > > merchants > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Uri K from the partners that were present at that > meeting > > > in > > > > > > tides > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > I didn't ask top cops before spending my money on new > > > > rentals. If > > > > > > > > they tell you I didn't, their lying! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "Fred" > <asburydogma@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, "dfsavgny" > > > <dfsavgny@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ups.com, "asburyparkpedaler" > > > > > > > <robert@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why is it incompenence? They has reasons didn't they. > > > > Weren't > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > worried about people getting hurt? Weren't they > worried > > > > about > > > > > > > > > enforcement? Go ask Rita how she felt about it. She > > > didn't > > > > even > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > the time extended to noon. Why didn't this guy go > > > directly > > > > to a > > > > > > > > > council meeting and demand to be heard and give his > > > reason > > > > for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bike > > > > > > > > > lane. He keeps on saying "The truth as I know it" His > > > truth > > > > may > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > be the truth. Like Momma always says there a 3 sides > to > > > > evey > > > > > > > story. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it really the same thing? Can't we trust our > > > elected > > > > > > > > officials > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > act competently in the name of the people? And if > > > not, > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > corruption? Furthermore, if you don't beleive > there > > > is > > > > > > > > corruption > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > necessarily evidence of it; after all, a murderer > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > provide evidence, but the victim is still dead) > > here, > > > > than > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are in > > > > > > > > > > > denial. Frustrating to know what goes on, but > like > > > you > > > > say, > > > > > > > > > falling > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > deaf ears of the corrupt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just have a problem making an accusation without > > > > evidence > > > > > > > > > regardless > > > > > > > > > > of my suspicions. 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