Sorry, I didn't read far enough to get the whole topic.
I agree that a radio station has the right to chose and stick with a genre.
But, if a radio station refuses to play a song within it's genre because it
doesn't agree with
it's political message, I kinda have a problem with that, because say they
choose to play a
song that has a message they do agree with and bans a song who's political
message they
don't agree with, isn't that kinda shady?
It's like subliminal campaigning with a bias.
This is a difficult topic for sure.
It's like comparing Fox News to MSNBC and so on.
And for the radio listener, do we always know what affiliations they have, and
which way
they lean? For the casual listener, probably not. Nor do most people know who
owns the
stations we listen to.
In essence, I don't think it's a good idea for the public airwaves to be
politically aligned.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jack I think the topic is a radio station having the right to pick
> what music to play.
>
> Don't you think they have that right? They own the station.
>
> I understand they are licensed. So is a bar. The City doesn't tell
> The Saint to pour Tanquerey or Beefeaters. Everyone would cry foul
> if they did.
>
> Why can't a radio station play the songs that they like?
>
> What's next, 50 cent suing to be played on a Classic Rock Station?
>
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote:
> >
> > I have a different point of view.
> > Nobody is forced to listen to Bruce Springsteen or any artist.
> > Instead of letting the government or a broadcaster decide what
> they want people to be
> > able to listen too, shouldn't the listener be the one making the
> choice?
> > I agree that porno, or racism, or anything THAT objectionable
> shouldn't be presented
> > without limits to the public, but music with opinions?
> > That should be left up to the people.
> > If you don't like Bruce and his message, simply don't buy his
> music, and if his songs come
> > on the radio, switch channels.
> > Also, I have a huge problem with the selective way that the FCC
> choses to censor things.
> > Howard Stern brought up a good point the other day about a couple
> of words he was fined
> > and censored for..."scumbag" and "douchebag"
> > Back when he was on the radio, he got yelled at for those, but on
> a recent episode of the
> > TV show Bionic Women (which I won't watch because the original was
> just fine with me)
> > both words were used, in primetime.
> > To me, the FCC is becoming a joke in that respect. Oprah Winfrey
> or the Bionic Women can
> > get away with saying the same words and concepts that Howard was
> fined for, and it gives
> > the strong impression that the FCC is censoring with bias, which
> is bullshit (censor that)
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Gary there was no boycott by Clear Channel. Some of their local
> > > stations boycotted, some didn't. The decision was made by the
> local
> > > managers.
> > >
> > > Michael Moore tried to float the idea that it was decided at
> > > Corporate. As usual, he had no proof and was wrong.
> > >
> > > Let me ask you though:
> > >
> > > Assume for a moment that Clear Channel did boycott an artist.
> > >
> > > Don't companies have the right of Freedom of Association and
> Freedom
> > > of Speech?
> > >
> > > How rich must one get before he gives up these rights?
> > >
> > > How many stations must one own before relinquishing their
> > > constitutional rights? 5? 10? 100? More? Is there a sliding
> scale
> > > of constitutional rights based upon how many stations you own?
> > >
> > > Is there a "right" of muscians to be played on a station?
> > >
> > > If so, can I cut a record and sue to have it played, no matter
> how
> > > much the station hates the song?
> > >
> > > As for Bruce, he stuck up for Maines when Maines was railing
> against
> > > the little people who were bulldozing her CD's in public.
> > >
> > > Not much of a working class hero stance, siding with that
> pampered
> > > millionaire over the little folk.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien <lightgrw@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tommy,
> > > >
> > > > The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up
> to
> > > > you. For me, he was dead on. The boycott was led by Clear
> > > Channel -
> > > > not individual radio station owners. Clear Channel owned the
> > > main
> > > > stations in just about every market in the country so no you
> > > really
> > > > couldn't just change the channel. He was going after the BIG
> > > PICTURE
> > > > of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG
> PICTURE
> > > of
> > > > censorship. This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was
> > > showing
> > > > how a huge corporation could censor the entire country.
> > > >
> > > > Bruce was right.
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide
> > > audience on
> > > > > politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses
> that by
> > > > > switching over.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets
> to
> > > speak
> > > > > to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than
> the
> > > Dixie
> > > > > Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting
> > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > > You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a
> > > > > hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But why? Do you even know what he's saying?
> > > > > > Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying
> > > something
> > > > > you disagree with?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> > > > > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can see a parallel here between me trying to
> moderate
> > > this
> > > > > group
> > > > > > > to this Bruce discussion
> > > > > > > > as it relates to what you call "microphone abuse"
> > > > > > > > I knew that when I posted what I said below it would
> make
> > > me
> > > > > look
> > > > > > > like a hypocrite.
> > > > > > > > When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear
> him
> > > > > > > pontificate for 3 hours about
> > > > > > > > politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it,
> but you
> > > > > also
> > > > > > > get classic songs and lot's
> > > > > > > > of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings.
> It's
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > all politics.
> > > > > > > > Don't you think many of us here in America are upset
> with
> > > > > what's
> > > > > > > going on in our country?
> > > > > > > > To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to
> hiding
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > head in the sand.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> > > > > > > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge"
> <hinge98@>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Also, if somebody said to you "Hey Tommy - SHUT UP
> AND
> > > > > > > PRACTICE
> > > > > > > > > >LAW!!" I'd defend
> > > > > > > > > > you also. We all have the right to voice our
> opinions.
> > > > > > > > > > It's just like the way people used to get angry
> about
> > > > > Howard
> > > > > > > Stern.
> > > > > > > > > >You have a
> > > > > > > > > > choice...listen, or tune away.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The difference is that Bruce and others like him
> > > > > > > commit "microphone
> > > > > > > > > abuse."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There are people on this board that study and follow
> > > > > politics
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > closely than he does. The problems is we can't
> gather a
> > > > > wide
> > > > > > > audience.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason -
> > > music.
> > > > > Then
> > > > > > > he
> > > > > > > > > abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has
> > > nothing
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > important to say than anyone else, but abuses his
> > > postion to
> > > > > get
> > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > thoughts stated widely.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio
> > > > > station
> > > > > > > owners
> > > > > > > > > who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station
> owners
> > > have
> > > > > > > free
> > > > > > > > > speech rights? You can always change the station,
> right?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Don't
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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