>From a moderate democrat to a conservative replublican - I will stand
with you and protest against those who would fight a company helping
their immigrant employees (or non-employees) learn english and become
citizens.
See you at the rally!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's a great point you make.
>
> I have a winderful picture hanging in my office. It is from 1928.
> About 3 to 4 feet wide.
>
> It's 150 Immigrants being sworn in as citizens at the White House.
> President Coolidge did the swearing in. My grandfater is in the
> picture, having been sworn in that day.
>
> The people in the photo are dressed in their Sunday best, beaming
> with pride.
>
> The picture is marded "Americanization School of the State of New
> Jersey."
>
> I checked into the history, particularly with the State.
>
> "Americanization Schools" were common back during large European
> immigration days.
>
> They were held by companies who hired immigrants, and social
> organizations like the Sons of Italy, Sons of Shillelagh, etc.
>
> At the "Americanization" school, the Immigrants would learn about
> the language, the clothing, money, food, government, social
> expectations, schools, etc.
>
> Once completed, they would be assited in taking the test for
> citizenship.
>
> It was wonderful, and a great way to help immigrants assimilate
into
> America; they were proud to do it.
>
> NOW IMAGINE TODAY!!! Could you imagine if a big company today set
> up an Americanization school!?!?!
>
> The ACLU would sue. Certain folks would claim "xenophobia"
> and "prejudice" "racism" and "intolerance" and claim these poor
> folks were having their "culture disrespected."
>
> So while I agree I'd like to see opportunities like the for
> immigrants, you just go ahead and try it, and see how you get
> labeled.
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <asburycouple@>
> wrote:
> >
> > My intention there was not to point the word "villifying" at you -
> > you have not in your posts and Tom I apologize to you if you feel
> I
> > implied that sepcifically regarding you. It was more of a
general
> > statement because many in this country do.
> >
> > Aside from that, there are two points I was making.
> >
> > One was that perhaps we should provide opportunities that help
> them
> > make that transition. Learning a language is not easy - made
> harder
> > when you work long hours for little pay and live amoung people
who
> > speak your native tongue rather than the one you want to learn.
> >
> > Second was that the police have a job to do, and saddling them
> with a
> > mandate that makes it more difficult for them to do it is a
> mistake.
> > Similar to when the federal government madates the states without
> > funding - forcing them to redirect funding from their own
> priorities
> > to the federal governments. I want the police to fight crime
> using
> > whatever tactics are required, including speaking whatever
> languages
> > necessary to accomplish their tasks.
> >
> > Any thoughts on the points I was trying to make.
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright"
> > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple"
> <asburycouple@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > So perhaps rather than simply
> > > > villifying those who can't speak the language an effort can
be
> > made
> > > > to provide an opportunity to learn English?
> > >
> > > Who is doing the villifying? Who is clamoring for
opportunities
> to
> > > learn English? Please compare.
> > >
> > > I've said many times my prodding for them to learn English is
> > > compassion toward them. Success comes much easier with the
> English
> > > language in America. No one can dispute that, so all the
> > > encouragement to speak English is a help to them, not
> > villification.
> > > It is also asking for them to take every "opportunity to learn
> > > English" as you say.
> > >
> > > Yet for giving this good, helpful, compassionate advice, some
> will
> > > yell "Xenophobe" which is how this conversation started.
> > >
> > > So who is doing the villifying here? The folks yelling
> xenophobe,
> > > that's who.
> > >
> >
>
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