I think that's a great idea - and count me in.  Seriously.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Should read "who's" with me.
> 
> We'll let someone besides me handle the typing classes. 
> 
> 
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
> <justifiedright@> wrote:
> >
> > Scott you've given me a business idea.
> > 
> > Why don't we start an Americanization School?  
> > 
> > Non-political.  Teach grade school level history, seminars on 
> > schools, taxes, law, food, pop-culture, and how to take and pass 
> the 
> > test for citizenship.
> > 
> > Market it to Governments, Corporations, Schools and social 
> > organizations.
> > 
> > Whose with me? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" <asburycouple@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > From a moderate democrat to a conservative replublican - I will 
> > stand 
> > > with you and protest against those who would fight a company 
> > helping 
> > > their immigrant employees (or non-employees) learn english and 
> > become 
> > > citizens.
> > > 
> > > See you at the rally!
> > > 
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
> > > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's a great point you make.
> > > > 
> > > > I have a winderful picture hanging in my office.  It is from 
> > 1928.  
> > > > About 3 to 4 feet wide.
> > > > 
> > > > It's 150 Immigrants being sworn in as citizens at the White 
> > House.  
> > > > President Coolidge did the swearing in.  My grandfater is in 
> the 
> > > > picture, having been sworn in that day.
> > > > 
> > > > The people in the photo are dressed in their Sunday best, 
> > beaming 
> > > > with pride.
> > > > 
> > > > The picture is marded "Americanization School of the State of 
> > New 
> > > > Jersey."
> > > > 
> > > > I checked into the history, particularly with the State.
> > > > 
> > > > "Americanization Schools"  were common back during large 
> > European 
> > > > immigration days.
> > > > 
> > > > They were held by companies who hired immigrants, and social 
> > > > organizations like the Sons of Italy, Sons of Shillelagh, etc.
> > > > 
> > > > At the "Americanization" school, the Immigrants would learn 
> > about 
> > > > the language, the clothing, money, food, government, social 
> > > > expectations, schools, etc.
> > > > 
> > > > Once completed, they would be assited in taking the test for 
> > > > citizenship.
> > > > 
> > > > It was wonderful, and a great way to help immigrants 
> assimilate 
> > > into 
> > > > America; they were proud to do it.
> > > > 
> > > > NOW IMAGINE TODAY!!!  Could you imagine if a big company 
today 
> > set 
> > > > up an Americanization school!?!?!
> > > > 
> > > > The ACLU would sue.  Certain folks would claim "xenophobia" 
> > > > and "prejudice" "racism" and "intolerance" and claim these 
> poor 
> > > > folks were having their "culture disrespected."
> > > >   
> > > > So while I agree I'd like to see opportunities like the for 
> > > > immigrants, you just go ahead and try it, and see how you get 
> > > > labeled.
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" 
> > <asburycouple@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > My intention there was not to point the word "villifying" 
at 
> > you -
> > >  
> > > > > you have not in your posts and Tom I apologize to you if 
you 
> > feel 
> > > > I 
> > > > > implied that sepcifically regarding you.  It was more of a 
> > > general 
> > > > > statement because many in this country do.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Aside from that, there are two points I was making.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > One was that perhaps we should provide opportunities that 
> help 
> > > > them 
> > > > > make that transition.  Learning a language is not easy - 
> made 
> > > > harder 
> > > > > when you work long hours for little pay and live amoung 
> people 
> > > who 
> > > > > speak your native tongue rather than the one you want to 
> > learn.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > Second was that the police have a job to do, and saddling 
> them 
> > > > with a 
> > > > > mandate that makes it more difficult for them to do it is a 
> > > > mistake.  
> > > > > Similar to when the federal government madates the states 
> > without 
> > > > > funding - forcing them to redirect funding from their own 
> > > > priorities 
> > > > > to the federal governments.  I want the police to fight 
> crime 
> > > > using 
> > > > > whatever tactics are required, including speaking whatever 
> > > > languages 
> > > > > necessary to accomplish their tasks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any thoughts on the points I was trying to make.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "justifiedright" 
> > > > > <justifiedright@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "asburycouple" 
> > > > <asburycouple@> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > So perhaps rather than simply 
> > > > > > > villifying those who can't speak the language an effort 
> > can 
> > > be 
> > > > > made 
> > > > > > > to provide an opportunity to learn English?  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Who is doing the villifying?  Who is clamoring for 
> > > opportunities 
> > > > to 
> > > > > > learn English?  Please compare.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I've said many times my prodding for them to learn 
English 
> > is 
> > > > > > compassion toward them.  Success comes much easier with 
> the 
> > > > English 
> > > > > > language in America.  No one can dispute that, so all the 
> > > > > > encouragement to speak English is a help to them, not 
> > > > > villification.  
> > > > > > It is also asking for them to take every "opportunity to 
> > learn 
> > > > > > English" as you say.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yet for giving this good, helpful, compassionate advice, 
> > some 
> > > > will 
> > > > > > yell "Xenophobe" which is how this conversation started.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So who is doing the villifying here?  The folks yelling 
> > > > xenophobe, 
> > > > > > that's who.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




 
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