Well since the Pony and all that property is privately owned we (you, me, city)
cant tell them what to do with it. But I think its our recommendation that the
summer stage move eventually. I see no problem with interior performance spaces
on Ocean with residences if you soundproof them. Personally I would not want to
see the physical Pony moved. I am even ok with leaving the summer stage there
but I cant see how you can build residences next to it. These are my personal
opinions.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote:
>
> So is leaving the Pony as is, for indoor entertainment (non summer stage
> usage) and building a Summer stage on the casino site (strictly outdoor
> usage) an option being discussed?
>
> Or is the Pony not going to be used as a music venue at all, and all Pony
> entertainment being moved to Casino site?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@...>
> Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:17:41
> To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
>
> I do not think its clear from the recommendations. And I think it was the
> concerns I had which is the incompatibility of intense entertainment and
> residential uses on the same site(s). The City learned its lesson as well on
> that with Cookman. That's why proper zoning specifies uses etc in certain
> areas.
>
> In the original plan, the southern end of Ocean Ave is supposed to be the
> heart of intense entertainment uses. In reality, those uses are allowed
> almost anywhere in the waterfront area under the current plan. So if we agree
> that the southern end and especially the end of Cookman and Asbury and Ocean
> is what I called "ground zero", then you have to consider what's compatible
> and what's not. I voiced concern that if you wanted to have intense
> entertainment uses (like the Pony's Summer Stage) on Ocean Ave, how could you
> develop residences above these uses on the same blocks? And if you agreed
> then that would preclude (in my mind) residences on most, if not all of the
> blocks between Ocean and Kingsley.
>
> That of course was not going to be given up by the developer. And so keeping
> in mind that you can soundproof etc (expensive) I think we are recommending
> that the Pony building stay and be incorporated in developments (similar to
> what you suggest) but that the summer stage be moved to the demolished Casino
> site. What the committee is recommending is that entertainment uses become
> less intense along Ocean as you head north and to make the most intense uses
> be at Ground Zero. Reasonable I think.
>
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <acme87rangers@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there a reason or clarification as to why the Stone Pony was viewed as
> > removable from the site? (pardon my ignorance if this has already been
> > explained, but in the report I couldn't find reasoning behind this move)
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dsher4@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rather than attack i will ask dan what the reason for the Cookman
> > > > avenue closure is? at first blush i don't agree with it either but
> > > > perhaps there is a logical reason. Dan can you please comment?
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you were at the meeting it was explained. The committee is against it.
> > > We essentially killed it when proposed by the developer. What we did at
> > > the end, just to be fair was say okay, you (Partners) pay for an
> > > independent traffic consultant to study the proposal and its effect on
> > > traffic. The developer's idea was to create this great big public plaza.
> > > We think we already have one further east. But you have to keep in mind
> > > how we approached this entire process. To be open minded and fair.
> > > Personally I do not think it has a chance but lets see what the traffic
> > > consultant says. So in reality, and what maybe is not too clear from the
> > > documents is that the committee really rejected the idea and is only
> > > recommending that a traffic consultant and the city engineer look into it.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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