http://www.app.com/article/20110919/NJNEWS/309190060/Park-use-urged-tract-Asbury
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@...> wrote: > > asburyplanningatgmaildotcom > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote: > > > > The committee's summary was to be available on the city website: > > cityofasburypark.com. The planning department is seeking additional > > feedback and comments until Sept. 30. Those comments can be emailed to > > asburyplanning@gmail. <mailto:asburyplanning@> com > > <mailto:asburyplanning@> or mailed to Asbury Park City Hall, > > Attention: WRP Committee, One Municpal Plaza, Asbury Park, 07712. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > Could you fix that email address? > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" dfsavgny@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please send your comments in in writing. You are preaching to the > > choir. The official venue is > > > > > > > > The committee's summary was to be available on the city website: > > cityofasburypark.com. The planning department is seeking additional > > feedback and comments until Sept. 30. Those comments can be emailed to > > asburyplanning@ or mailed to Asbury Park City Hall, Attention: WRP > > Committee, One Municpal Plaza, Asbury Park, 07712. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <acme87rangers@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It's no question that the summer stage should move eventually > > (personally I hope sooner than later) and the rebuilt Casino Arena > > portion would make a great "Stone Pony Theatre" where large Stone Pony > > concerts could be held. But the original building should never be > > considered for relocation. > > > > > > > > > > My concern is that the wording in the report seems to state the > > Stone Pony in general should be moved. On page 13 of the summary, > > points four and five of the Committee's reccomendation: > > > > > > > > > > 4. The existing requirement that The Stone Pony remain in its > > present location should be removed. > > > > > 5. The Stone Pony building is shown as a conditional building on > > the Development Control Plan, maximum building heights should be > > established for this area. > > > > > > > > > > This instantly sounds (at least to me) as if the building is not > > significant to warrant being incorporated into future development on the > > site, and should be removed from the plan. I'm just saying this as an > > outside observer (with the highest respect for all of the work that has > > gone into this). If the Stone Pony building itself is important, it > > should specifically be designated as a seperate entity from the Summer > > Stage so that there is no confusion as to what can happen to it down the > > road. > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well since the Pony and all that property is privately owned we > > (you, me, city) cant tell them what to do with it. But I think its our > > recommendation that the summer stage move eventually. I see no problem > > with interior performance spaces on Ocean with residences if you > > soundproof them. Personally I would not want to see the physical Pony > > moved. I am even ok with leaving the summer stage there but I cant see > > how you can build residences next to it. These are my personal opinions. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is leaving the Pony as is, for indoor entertainment (non > > summer stage usage) and building a Summer stage on the casino site > > (strictly outdoor usage) an option being discussed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is the Pony not going to be used as a music venue at all, > > and all Pony entertainment being moved to Casino site? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> > > > > > > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:17:41 > > > > > > > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not think its clear from the recommendations. And I think > > it was the concerns I had which is the incompatibility of intense > > entertainment and residential uses on the same site(s). The City learned > > its lesson as well on that with Cookman. That's why proper zoning > > specifies uses etc in certain areas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the original plan, the southern end of Ocean Ave is > > supposed to be the heart of intense entertainment uses. In reality, > > those uses are allowed almost anywhere in the waterfront area under the > > current plan. So if we agree that the southern end and especially the > > end of Cookman and Asbury and Ocean is what I called "ground zero", then > > you have to consider what's compatible and what's not. I voiced concern > > that if you wanted to have intense entertainment uses (like the Pony's > > Summer Stage) on Ocean Ave, how could you develop residences above these > > uses on the same blocks? And if you agreed then that would preclude (in > > my mind) residences on most, if not all of the blocks between Ocean and > > Kingsley. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That of course was not going to be given up by the developer. > > And so keeping in mind that you can soundproof etc (expensive) I think > > we are recommending that the Pony building stay and be incorporated in > > developments (similar to what you suggest) but that the summer stage be > > moved to the demolished Casino site. What the committee is recommending > > is that entertainment uses become less intense along Ocean as you head > > north and to make the most intense uses be at Ground Zero. Reasonable I > > think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" > > <acme87rangers@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a reason or clarification as to why the Stone Pony > > was viewed as removable from the site? (pardon my ignorance if this has > > already been explained, but in the report I couldn't find reasoning > > behind this move) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dsher4@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather than attack i will ask dan what the reason for > > the Cookman avenue closure is? at first blush i don't agree with it > > either but perhaps there is a logical reason. Dan can you please > > comment? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you were at the meeting it was explained. The committee > > is against it. We essentially killed it when proposed by the developer. > > What we did at the end, just to be fair was say okay, you (Partners) pay > > for an independent traffic consultant to study the proposal and its > > effect on traffic. The developer's idea was to create this great big > > public plaza. We think we already have one further east. But you have to > > keep in mind how we approached this entire process. To be open minded > > and fair. Personally I do not think it has a chance but lets see what > > the traffic consultant says. So in reality, and what maybe is not too > > clear from the documents is that the committee really rejected the idea > > and is only recommending that a traffic consultant and the city engineer > > look into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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