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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@...> wrote:
>
> The committee's summary was to be available on the city website:
> cityofasburypark.com. The planning department is seeking additional
> feedback and comments until Sept. 30. Those comments can be emailed to
> asburyplanning@gmail. <mailto:asburyplanning@...> com
> <mailto:asburyplanning@...> or mailed to Asbury Park City Hall,
> Attention: WRP Committee, One Municpal Plaza, Asbury Park, 07712.
>
> --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote:
> >
> > Could you fix that email address?
> >
> > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" dfsavgny@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Please send your comments in in writing. You are preaching to the
> choir. The official venue is
> > >
> > > The committee's summary was to be available on the city website:
> cityofasburypark.com. The planning department is seeking additional
> feedback and comments until Sept. 30. Those comments can be emailed to
> asburyplanning@ or mailed to Asbury Park City Hall, Attention: WRP
> Committee, One Municpal Plaza, Asbury Park, 07712.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210" <acme87rangers@>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It's no question that the summer stage should move eventually
> (personally I hope sooner than later) and the rebuilt Casino Arena
> portion would make a great "Stone Pony Theatre" where large Stone Pony
> concerts could be held. But the original building should never be
> considered for relocation.
> > > >
> > > > My concern is that the wording in the report seems to state the
> Stone Pony in general should be moved. On page 13 of the summary,
> points four and five of the Committee's reccomendation:
> > > >
> > > > 4. The existing requirement that The Stone Pony remain in its
> present location should be removed.
> > > > 5. The Stone Pony building is shown as a conditional building on
> the Development Control Plan, maximum building heights should be
> established for this area.
> > > >
> > > > This instantly sounds (at least to me) as if the building is not
> significant to warrant being incorporated into future development on the
> site, and should be removed from the plan. I'm just saying this as an
> outside observer (with the highest respect for all of the work that has
> gone into this). If the Stone Pony building itself is important, it
> should specifically be designated as a seperate entity from the Summer
> Stage so that there is no confusion as to what can happen to it down the
> road.
> > > >
> > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well since the Pony and all that property is privately owned we
> (you, me, city) cant tell them what to do with it. But I think its our
> recommendation that the summer stage move eventually. I see no problem
> with interior performance spaces on Ocean with residences if you
> soundproof them. Personally I would not want to see the physical Pony
> moved. I am even ok with leaving the summer stage there but I cant see
> how you can build residences next to it. These are my personal opinions.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So is leaving the Pony as is, for indoor entertainment (non
> summer stage usage) and building a Summer stage on the casino site
> (strictly outdoor usage) an option being discussed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or is the Pony not going to be used as a music venue at all,
> and all Pony entertainment being moved to Casino site?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@>
> > > > > > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:17:41
> > > > > > To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Reason for Cookman ave closure?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do not think its clear from the recommendations. And I think
> it was the concerns I had which is the incompatibility of intense
> entertainment and residential uses on the same site(s). The City learned
> its lesson as well on that with Cookman. That's why proper zoning
> specifies uses etc in certain areas.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the original plan, the southern end of Ocean Ave is
> supposed to be the heart of intense entertainment uses. In reality,
> those uses are allowed almost anywhere in the waterfront area under the
> current plan. So if we agree that the southern end and especially the
> end of Cookman and Asbury and Ocean is what I called "ground zero", then
> you have to consider what's compatible and what's not. I voiced concern
> that if you wanted to have intense entertainment uses (like the Pony's
> Summer Stage) on Ocean Ave, how could you develop residences above these
> uses on the same blocks? And if you agreed then that would preclude (in
> my mind) residences on most, if not all of the blocks between Ocean and
> Kingsley.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That of course was not going to be given up by the developer.
> And so keeping in mind that you can soundproof etc (expensive) I think
> we are recommending that the Pony building stay and be incorporated in
> developments (similar to what you suggest) but that the summer stage be
> moved to the demolished Casino site. What the committee is recommending
> is that entertainment uses become less intense along Ocean as you head
> north and to make the most intense uses be at Ground Zero. Reasonable I
> think.
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "arcman210"
> <acme87rangers@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there a reason or clarification as to why the Stone Pony
> was viewed as removable from the site? (pardon my ignorance if this has
> already been explained, but in the report I couldn't find reasoning
> behind this move)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@>
> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <dsher4@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rather than attack i will ask dan what the reason for
> the Cookman avenue closure is? at first blush i don't agree with it
> either but perhaps there is a logical reason. Dan can you please
> comment?
> > > > > > > > > Thank you
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you were at the meeting it was explained. The committee
> is against it. We essentially killed it when proposed by the developer.
> What we did at the end, just to be fair was say okay, you (Partners) pay
> for an independent traffic consultant to study the proposal and its
> effect on traffic. The developer's idea was to create this great big
> public plaza. We think we already have one further east. But you have to
> keep in mind how we approached this entire process. To be open minded
> and fair. Personally I do not think it has a chance but lets see what
> the traffic consultant says. So in reality, and what maybe is not too
> clear from the documents is that the committee really rejected the idea
> and is only recommending that a traffic consultant and the city engineer
> look into it.
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