I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. Here's my final thought (sorry to repeat myself). On Friday night, a friend is coming over to play Scrabble. My street is nothing but potholes and empty parking spaces. She has 2 choices, pay $3 to park out front on an empty street, or park around the corner or a block away. I'd love to hear somebody in this city logically defend that.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: > > Not sure about that, although Cookman is bustling in the Winter months, the > waterfront hardly fills the spaces > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claire Davids <claire.davids@...> > Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:11:52 > To: <AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Reflections on Parking > > But if you did that then people would just start parking there instead of > the paid areas and you'd be back to the no parking scenario. > > > > *Satisfied Customers on Receipt - Worldwide* > Claire Davids > Managing Partner > i-Parcel LLC > Tel: +12015491502 > Mobile: +16464316239 > www.i-parcel.com > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Hinge <hinge98@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > All I'd like to see is one simple thing. Suspend paid parking on the 200 > > blocks between Labor Day and Memorial Day. I can live with the issues during > > the summer. But being asked to pay to park on an empty residential block is > > absolutely absurd. > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote: > > > > > > My point, reserve spaces on your block so when there is the demand > > present that leaves you with no spaces, those excess cars (visitors) go go > > to the next block perhaps. That causes residents on that block not to be > > able to park (the number displaced by the excess cars) and now they have the > > same complaints, so we do the same there, and so forth and so on. > > > > > > It is only going to get wore unless the whole thing fails. 1.5 cars off > > street parking requirement per new unit in the waterfront area. Can you > > imagine the implications if even 25% of it gets built? Who has 1.5 cars? No > > guests? You think the folks in Ocean Grove have complaints about parking in > > the summer? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not reserve spaces for residents only on my block? > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Why curtail the hours when there is zero demand? > > > > > I would have bought the permit if the city designated a number of > > spaces "Resident Parking Only". > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it make sense for the city to have done a parking survey > > first? Find out how many residents park in the designated area, and reserve > > spaces for residents in those areas. On my block this summer that would have > > amounted to 3 spaces. I realize that varies from block to block, but as I've > > said, the current system is great for the city, but useless for residents > > such as myself. What's the value in paying to park when you can't find a > > space to use it? If I bought the permit should I get a refund on the perhaps > > 24 days when visitors took up all the spaces? > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tough one, but I am probably leaning towards relaxing in that area > > off season or curtailing the hours BUT if that's done and during a concert > > at the Pony there's no spaces on your block what will you say? This is my > > entire point about the compatibility/incompatibility of uses. Residences > > near or in the middle of uses that draw high visitor traffic have issues. > > You will not be able to solve them. I do not think anyone has. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for posting this. I read it yesterday. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we're talking about parking ( I know I'm annoying with this > > topic), what do you or does anybody else feel about keeping year round until > > midnight paid parking on the 200 blocks west of Kingsley? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My answer is easy. Take a drive to my block, 1st Ave between > > Bergh and Kingsley, on any day, at any time between now and Memorial Day. > > You will see what looks like an abandoned street. Absolutely ZERO demand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does this make sense to anybody? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a friend coming to visit Friday night to play Scrabble. > > She has 2 choices - pay $2 or $3 to park out front, or park in the dark > > around the corner, or on the 300 block. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "dfsavgny" <dfsavgny@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From NYT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reflections on a Parking Meter By CLYDE HABERMAN > > > > > > > > <http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/author/clyde-haberman/> > > > > > > > > Not to make too much of a relatively minor event, but when > > > > > > > > Manhattan's last old-time parking meter was yanked down on > > Monday, > > > > > > > > it meant the end of a symbolic target for some rebellious > > spirits. > > > > > > > > [The Day] The Day < > > http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/category/the-day/> > > > > > > > > Clyde Haberman offers his take on the news. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To them, parking meters represent an infringement of their > > freedom of > > > > > > > > movement. Did anyone in the Old West make a cowboy pay to tie > > up his > > > > > > > > horse outside the saloon? Nor is this solely an American > > notion. In > > > > > > > > Australia, the No Parking Meters Party > > > > > > > > <http://noparkingmetersparty.org/> came into being a few years > > ago, > > > > > > > > running candidates in state elections in New South Wales with a > > slogan > > > > > > > > that "the basis of democracy is non-dictated policy." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Writing about the final curtain > > > > > > > > < > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/nyregion/uprooting-the-old-familiar-p\ > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/nyregion/uprooting-the-old-familiar-p>> > > > > > > > arking-meter.html> for the parking meter in Manhattan, 60 years to > > the > > > > > > > > day after the first one was installed, my colleague Michael M. > > Grynbaum > > > > > > > > alluded on Monday to the 1967 film "Cool Hand Luke > > > > > > > > < > > http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=EE05E7DF1738E260BC4A53DFB767\ > > <http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=EE05E7DF1738E260BC4A53DFB767>> > > > > > > > 838C679EDE> ." In its opening scene, the title character, played > > by > > > > > > > > Paul Newman, is arrested and dispatched to a prison road gang > > for > > > > > > > > drunkenly lopping off the heads of meters with a pipe cutter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Back in 1967, some people in the New York theater where I saw > > it > > > > > > > > cheered as Luke went from meter to meter, methodically > > decapitating > > > > > > > > each one. To them, it wasn't an act of vandalism. It was a free > > > > > > > > spirit's rebellion against those in power, by attacking one of > > > > > > > > their more soulless creations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps those same people would have pumped their fists > > joyfully had > > > > > > > > they witnessed the uprooting of Manhattan's last single-space > > meter > > > > > > > > from its post on Frederick Douglass Boulevard in Harlem. Not > > that > > > > > > > > meters have disappeared from the city. Hardly. Tens of > > thousands remain > > > > > > > > in other boroughs. But they are doomed, too. In a year or so, > > the > > > > > > > > city's Transportation Department expects multispace Muni-Meters > > to > > > > > > > > be the rule everywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The relationship between some New Yorkers and their parking > > spaces can > > > > > > > > run deep, even as the city becomes ever more bicycle conscious > > > > > > > > > > perhaps especially as the city becomes more bike conscious. You > > > > > > > > don't have to own a car to understand that. I haven't owned one > > > > > > > > in 33 years. Yet an available parking spot right in front of my > > > > > > > > apartment building is so alluring that it almost makes me want > > to rush > > > > > > > > off to buy something to fill the space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Throughout Manhattan and in parts of other boroughs, the hunt > > for a > > > > > > > > perfect spot, one where a driver may leave the car for days > > without > > > > > > > > fear of a summons, is no less an obsession than the pursuit of > > the > > > > > > > > white whale was for Ahab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Politicians certainly understand this. It helps explain why, > > over the > > > > > > > > years, they have steadily expanded the exemptions to the > > alternate-side > > > > > > > > parking rules, usually in the name of paying tribute to some > > religious > > > > > > > > or ethnic group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Transportation Department now recognizes 32 holidays > > > > > > > > < > > http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/scrintro.shtml#calendar2011> > > > > > > > > , with a total of 42 days, when the rules are suspended and > > sanitation > > > > > > > > trucks are thus unable to sweep. It is one of New York's > > > > > > > > peculiarities that the chosen method for honoring various > > > > > > > > constituencies is to leave the streets dirty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a run of Jewish, Roman Catholic, Muslim, Hindu and legal > > holidays > > > > > > > > upon us, there will be a 44-day stretch, from Sept. 29 to Nov. > > 11, > > > > > > > > during which alternate-side parking regulations will be lifted > > > > > > > > one-third of the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For me, the rebel's romantic concept of parking meters as an > > enemy > > > > > > > > no longer holds, if it ever did. An opposite thought is more > > dominant: > > > > > > > > Why is public space, a most precious commodity in this city, > > allowed to > > > > > > > > be used as a private storage area? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Years ago, I asked in a column if it would be all right for a > > New > > > > > > > > Yorker in a crowded apartment to put a chest of drawers on > > wheels and > > > > > > > > leave it at curbside > > > > > > > > < > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/30/nyregion/nyc-alternate-side-of-realit\ > > <http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/30/nyregion/nyc-alternate-side-of-realit>> > > > > > > > y-parking-rules.html> observing all parking rules and taking a > > > > > > > > chance on theft. The very idea was, of course, absurd; you > > can't > > > > > > > > store personal property on the street. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why, then, is it O.K. to do that when the wheeled property is > > called a > > > > > > > > car? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If public space is to be used for this private purpose, perhaps > > what > > > > > > > > the city needs to do is greatly expand the areas where people > > must pay > > > > > > > > for the privilege. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not that this could be done without fierce resistance from some > > on the > > > > > > > > City Council and in the State Legislature. Generally speaking, > > when it > > > > > > > > comes to the proper place of the automobile in this crowded > > city, what > > > > > > > > we have, as Cool Hand Luke found out in his own way, is a > > failure to > > > > > > > > communicate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! 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