C'da,
>So perhaps Rams question was tongue-in-cheek. Was it Ram :)?
This was in the last line of my previous post:
Poor Umesh! He just took the Education degree, not the bidness, and who knows whether he took the ethics course (from which, of course, most Indians are exempt) :) :)
And, yes, it was bit of the tongue-in-cheek stuff. But Ethics courses taught and learnt in sincerity do pay dividends - Enron, GOI/GOA/ notwithstanding.
I was watching an interview some time ago (about this ethics problem in US Cos.), and several CEOs agreed that there was a big problem - but they were also quick to point out that a vast majority of US cos. heads were ethical and responsible.
--Ram
On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram could do better: Ask the ENRON whipper-snappers from Harvard Bus School :-).
There was an article in NY Times within the past week or so about ETHICS courses in Bus. Schools, asking if it is an oxymoron. In fact in today's St. Louis Post Dispatch had a short report on exactly the same thing. But I did not read it. The headline declared that MBA students cheat far more than the average in other professional courses. Explanation: The competition is so high!
So perhaps Rams question was tongue-in-cheek. Was it Ram :)?
At 11:25 PM +0530 9/26/06, mc mahant wrote:Dear Ram,Please define ETHICS and ask GOI/GOA/TATA/Ambanis/IIM's/IIT's if they practice that stuff?And ask the Assam "Management" community to have their second opinion too.May be from GOI/GOA under RTI Actmm
From: "Ram Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "mc mahant" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:32:20 -0500Mukul da,>And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so->called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, >Institute. even Great IITVery encouraging. Do they also have an ethics course to go alongwith - at least as a side dish?>We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of >pre-1947 Assam.Hmm! And all this while I thought that pre-1947 (and a 100 years before) all we had were only HH George VI, Victoria et al. Could be wrong and Assam was different.>even Great IIT(although the Assamese cannot enter to learn >there),And why not? We know a few Assamese teach there. Are the Assamese going to Kharagpur or elsewhere?
--RamOn 9/26/06, mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course >in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School.>And at Gau. we have Indian Institute of Entrpreneurship, many so-called Busineess/Commerce Colleges, Assam Engg.College, Institute. even Great IIT(although the Assamese cannot enter to learn there), 3 Central Universities (supposed to be of great standard ). At Shillong soon an IIM.Back again to the same Catch22 situation: Meaningless waste of Human and economic and infrastructure Resources--till We have Oxomiya Toka as the sole internal currency in all of pre-1947 Assam.Enterprises will have to produce goods and value-added services for 95% self sufficiency of the Pre-1947 ASSAM. Today because of the Indian Rupee we have 05% self sufficiency there!! Thereby also will be ensured 95% employment!mm
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ram Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Chan Mahanta" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC:assam@assamnet.org
Subject: Re: [Assam] Enterprise in Assam
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:33:13 -0500Ram:
>You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here?
*** No, that is not what I wrote. The comment was about the expertise of the preachers. Surprised that you who have a keen eye for words and phrases and their hidden meanings, not to mention the ones staring at the reader, did not get it :-).
However we DID examine the reasons for so few of us kharkhowa expats . being in business enterprises, even though here in the USA for example, it is far,far of easier to get into, than it is in India, or Assam. But it is NOT because of a defective gene as some like to suggest :-). Our risk-averseness has many reasons, all are sociologically and educationally conditioned responses.
>Now, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you?
*** No I did not. Mainly because I don't know any. Do you know some? If you do, perhaps you can pose the question to them.
However it is a fact, that ULFA leaders are/were far more entrepreneurial and courageous risk-takers with leadership abilities than the average population. That is why you also saw so many SULFA cadres get into it too. They also had a huge advantage as SULFAs: Free capital, bankrolled by the " government of the people", without any requirement for paying back; a private system of justice by which they could ensure market share, collection of payments and debts and ensure bid winning. I know some nasty people decried that, but aren't those the right requisites for business enterprises ?
>Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for >entrepreneurship (at this time at least)
*** Are you implying "maahor maar dekhi tile' bet melile'" here Ram :-)?
>A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically >designed for the local market there).
*** It is ALL about risks and benefits Ram. IF someone can make a decent livingWITHOUT taking the risks implicit in enterprise, and one does not yearn for those EXTRA benefits or earnings that COULD come from business, then you won't see entrepreneurship. Almost all of us kharkhowa expats here have an education that ensures a decent living without the risks involved. And most of us are quite happy with our lot, without the desire to acquire MORE, that could come from a profitable business. So why take on the hassles of business/enterprise?
>From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course >in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School.
*** Perhaps Umesh will blaze a trail here. Or would he :-)?
c-da
At 9:35 AM -0500 9/26/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
> Actually several years back I CHALLENGED another bunch of >such advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. >There was NOT a single reply.You are not suggesting that a vast majority of Kharkhowas are clueless about starting a business, are you?, ie no entrepreneurial spirit - whether they are in Assam or here?
>Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader
> then doing doing business in Assam and who too were advising >others in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as an >antidote to insurgency), to tell us how one might begin, how to get >capital if one did not have collateralNow, of course didn't happen to ask any of our ulfa leaders too, did you? They might be willing to divulge how to get capital without a collateral. I hear they are pretty adept at it. :)> I have those exchanges in my archives. If someone would like to >read them, let me know.Hehehe! that does it for me. I will try not to suggest any ideas for entrepreneurship (at this time at least).A start though maybe to introduce a course in entrepreneurship (specifically designed for the local market there). From what I gather, Harvard is one of the few institutions that offer a course in entrepreneurship (and ethics) in their Business School.--Ram
On 9/26/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have gotten used to the well-meaning advice and exhortations of our
> fellow kharkhowas about how to pull Assam out of its miseries by
> starting industries,by being entrepreneurs and so forth. I smile to
> myself, wondering why these advisers work for wages, mostly clerical
> work, far from home , in environments where it is far easier to
> become entrepreneurs .
>
> Something is patently contradictory here isn't it?
>
> I have pondered over it often. My guess, so far, is that, well
> meaning as they are, they have NO clue :-).
>
> Actually several years back I CHALLENGED another bunch of such
> advisers in Assam Net to describe HOW they would start. There was NOT
> a single reply. Then I challenged a prakton-Ulfa, or SULFA, leader
> then doing doing business in Assam and who too were advising others
> in Assam Net to take up business ( obviously as an antidote to
> insurgency), to tell us how one might begin, how to get capital if
> one did not have collateral, how to build a market, how to> distribute, how to get an operating line of credit, so on and so
> forth. And last but not the least, how to make sure of getting paid
> for delivering goods or services, and if there is a contract default,
> how to go about resolving such a dispute, who to rely on?
>
> The silence was deafening.
>
> I have those exchanges in my archives. If someone would like to read
> them, let me know.
>
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