Thanks Krishnendu! Let close the chapter here. I would request Dhruba Jyoti to mail me persoannlay if he has any quaries about Unicode, and how to develop Assamese Fonts. I may try to help him.
Sushanta On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Krishnendu Chakraborty <krish_...@yahoo.com > wrote: > I agree. Just the way Kamal has sensed ' hate', most Bengalis (and that > includes me as well) born and brought up in Brahmaputra valley has sensed > 'hate' at different points. Shall we continue with those baggage ? > > I also agree to Kamal's assertion "FINALLY,PACIFISM WORKS ONLY IF BOTH > SIDES AGREE TO PLAY BY THE SAME > SET OF RULES." and we see who is breaking the rule here ... but again, it > is up to us if we should get swayed by the words of a hate monger. > > > ********************************************************************** > >But, my point is can hatred solve the problem? > > > > One hate you, so you hate him in return. Where is the end? > > **** Very well said Sushanta. It IS the crux of the matter. > > > > On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Sushanta Kar wrote: > > *"I had sensed ' hate' in others really well.There > > are certain truths in this world that cannot be erased." > > * > > Correct words Kamal! That's why I don't prescribe those ideas that > > Chauvinism here is only Assamese Specific. That's why I wrote , it's a > > British and post British Indian disease. It's Bengali, whom parochialism > is > > nonparallel to any other Indian. It's Bengali, who started imitating the > > very British concept of Nation State Building in India. And the result is > > Division of Bengal. > > > > Rest are on you. You are intelligent enough to get the points. No truth > can > > be erased. You need not to. Dhruba Jyoti, and possibly you too, can't > > imagine that even I'm concerned about the future of Assam and Assamese, > > where Bengali may turned into majority. Dhruba Jyoti is right, a good > > section of Bengali elite are waiting for the day silently. And If all > the > > immigrant muslim write their mother tongue as Bengali in next census the > day > > is not far . > > But, my point is can hatred solve the problem? > > One hate you, so you hate him in return. Where is the end? > > We had our own mechanism of unity and assimilation in Pre-British India > and > > Assam. > > No one was concerned about who is Bengali and Assamese then. Most of the > > people doesn't knew the meaning of such words. > > What we can do is, We can invent those age old mechanism, edit the > present > > truth and re-write the history. > > It doesn't matter , if any Assamese like Dhruba Jyoti hate me or not, > Assam > > was/ is My Land. I'm one of those minority Democrat ( Be they Assamese or > > Bengali or whatever else) do believe from my heart that it's Assam and NE > > India will teach India how to re-invent and practice true spirit of India > > "Unity in Diversity', Teach India how to respect and accept the 'OTHERS' > and > > live in with peace and tranquility. > > > > > > Sushanta Kar > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> To all Netters save moderator, > >> Lest I be misunderstood,let me be explicit here by saying that I am > >> not ,by any reckoning,trying to defend Dhrubojyoti Deka for allegedly > >> using unpolished and unrefined words ( I don't know if he did) in this > >> Net. > >> > >> However,it reminds me of Voltaire, who once suggested that he would > >> disagree with his opponent, but would defend to the death the > >> opponent's right to have an opinion. We simply cannot force him to > >> self-censor.That will be a naughty, naughty idea. > >> > >> I was born in Tinsukia and spent quiet a few years of my life there.I > >> know how it feels like to be an Assamese in that milieu--a town where > >> we were the only Assamese ( in the main town).I also spent a few years > >> in Silchar and I had a providential escape one night during the peak > >> of Assam Movement.Those pontificating goody two shoes will never be > >> able to convince me about certain things which will remain indelibly > >> branded in my memory .I had sensed ' hate' in others really well.There > >> are certain truths in this world that cannot be erased. > >> > >> FINALLY,PACIFISM WORKS ONLY IF BOTH SIDES AGREE TO PLAY BY THE SAME > >> SET OF RULES. > >> > >> Kamaljit Deka > >> > >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka > >> <dhrubajyotideka at hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Are you threatening me? By showing CC, Moderator at top? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Nothing to response your meaningless sentances. > >>> > >>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:32:23 -0700 > >>>> From: ankur_bora2000 at yahoo.com > >>>> To: assam at assamnet.org > >>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >>>> > >>>> Cc : Moderator , Assam Net > >>>> > >>>> Dhruba Jyoti , > >>>> > >>>> You mentioned in your earlier posting that you were kidding about the > >> topic. Your subsequent postings are quite contrary to that. > >>>> Are you kidding or are ‘you serious ? > >>>> If you are serious, have you noticed the list of websites below the > >> signature of Sushanta. Have you gone through the online link of > “Pragyan”? > >> Pragyan is a fruition of painstaking work of Sushanta and teachers of > >> Tinsukia college. Pragyan has guided thousands of studenst of Tinsukia > and > >> that region in career planning , higher study , creativity and > leadership. > >> There are valuable articles published in the Assamese section of > Pragyan > >> related to Assamese language , culture and history. > >>>> In the story of blind men and the elephant , each man described the > >> animal based on the part that they could feel i.e. the foreleg , the > tail > >> and the trunk. Each one insisted that he alone was correct. Of course, > there > >> was no conclusion for not one had thoroughly examined the whole > elephant. > >> Their observation was limited to parts of the body, they could not > realize > >> the magnificence and the splendor of the majestic creature. > >>>> Would you continue to focus only on the “signature dots” or will you > >> open yourself to the total of the parts ? > >>>> I am not kidding here , seriously. > >>>> Ankur Bora > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Dhruba Jyoti Deka <dhrubajyotideka at > hotmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: Dhruba Jyoti Deka <dhrubajyotideka at hotmail.com> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >>>> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the > >> world" <assam at assamnet.org> > >>>> Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 1:55 PM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sorry for that. But i have seen usage of such slang recently by 2 > senior > >> fellow here. > >>>> > >>>>> From: absarangapani at hotmail.com > >>>>> To: cmahanta at gmail.com; assam at assamnet.org > >>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:39:15 +0000 > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >>>>> > >>>>> That's what I was going to say. Can we or should we bear with this > >> type of behavior here in Assam Net? I can't believe in today's world > this > >> type of mentality is still there. I thought it was a passe`. > >>>>> > >>>>> -ABS > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> > >>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:22:48 > >>>>> To: <assam at assamnet.org> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >>>>> > >>>>> Dhruba: > >>>>> > >>>>> Those are extremely intemperate words and have no place in a forum > >> like assamnet. I don't know how much you know about this forum, but I > have > >> been in this net for a very long time, over 12 t years. There have been > >> instances like this before, but most of us nipped those in the bud. > >>>>> > >>>>> Please do NOT ever again use such vitriol against anybody, I don't > >> care who. > >>>>> > >>>>> I can assure you, most of us ion this forum will share my view. And I > >> invite everyone , who wish to, stand up and be counted on WHAT is right! > >> Remember, when we lose our voices when it is important to set things > >> straight, silence is not a virtue. > >>>>> > >>>>> cm > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I am mailing from mobile, due to power failure. That is why I will > >> not be able to go point to point or detailed because of character > >> limitation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now, Mr Sushanta, you a***** deserve only hatred. And what the hell > >> is PRANTIK? Do not say what it was. Say what it is. > >>>>>> This time I would like to express that I hate Bengali people. > >> Because nuisance always want that other should read and learn bangla, > but > >> never u nuisance read and learn other language's literature. You do > write is > >> another thing, that may be done by dictation and writing by other. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Final saying, it is assamnet, not your banglanet. It is all about > >> Assam, not about your bangla and Rabindranath, who licked toes of > british > >> for prizes, while other were getting killed fighting against british. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You people are the snake of hidden corner, for whom, bangladeshis > >> are getting ease to settle in Assam. You people helping them, so that > one > >> day bangla becomes the majority language of assam. Bloody backbitter > >> bangladeshi. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com > >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:47:16 +0530 > >>>>>>> To: assam at assamnet.org > >>>>>>> Subject: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dear > >>>>>>> Krishnendu and others > >>>>>>> "'I have always found a handful chauvinist like you who are up in > >> arms to > >>>>>>> discourage people like me or Sushanta.' said Krishnendu. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's why very few Bengali come and join here. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dhrubojyoty started all these arguments only because he hate > >> Bengali. There > >>>>>>> is no use of argue with him. I'm not going to. > >>>>>>> I can only state that there are thousands of Bengali here in Assam > >> and > >>>>>>> Elsewhere who also hate Assamese and never talk anything positive > >> about > >>>>>>> them. I have bad experiences with them either. > >>>>>>> The point is, dose Dhruba Deka and people like him want that > >> those people > >>>>>>> living in Assam and speak languages other then Assamese should > >> create > >>>>>>> separate group and talk all the rubbish like Dhrubajyoti against > >> Assamese. > >>>>>>> Will it be a healthy practice? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As far my knowledge goes, in University level Assamese was first > >> introduced > >>>>>>> in Kolkata University. After creation of GU and DU Assamese > >> department there > >>>>>>> ceased to exist only because dearth of Student. Saying thus, I > >> don't want to > >>>>>>> certify West Bengal as as ideal state of the country. I don't > >> need to. > >>>>>>> Because that was/ is not my state. > >>>>>>> Rather , Personally I think , it's a disease which was imported > >> from modern > >>>>>>> Europe and has infected whole the country and all the states.( I'm > >> talking > >>>>>>> about the very concept of 'Nation State and nation Building'.) > >> Every one is > >>>>>>> here busy with creating their own nation. And so, no where in > >> India minority > >>>>>>> linguistic groups enjoys the equal status and honor. Most of the > >> linguistic > >>>>>>> group has no state to claim their own. That's why Rajbonshis are > >> fighting > >>>>>>> against both Assam and Bengal government for recognition of their > >> mother > >>>>>>> tongues. > >>>>>>> Ask them , they will say if the government and Middle Class > >> Bengali and > >>>>>>> Assamese has any different attitude towards them. To my knowledge, > >> No. No > >>>>>>> one want them to secede from the Majority language! If they are > >> Bengali, > >>>>>>> then WB Bengali should have been fight for their right in Assam. > >> If they are > >>>>>>> Assamese ,Assamese should have been fight for their right in > >> Bengal. But, > >>>>>>> who bother? Rather friends like Dhruba Jyoti Deka prefer to > >> behave same > >>>>>>> way in thier own state. This was he will forget those Assamese > >> who lives > >>>>>>> elsewhere, specially in WB and Bangladesh. His Bengali counterpart > >> will > >>>>>>> exclude those Bengali who live out side the Border of WB. > >>>>>>> Dhrubajyoti may consider Bengali as Migrant in Assam, I'm not. He > >> just > >>>>>>> forgot that present Assam is a > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Conglomeration of different region and part of provinces of > >> British India. A > >>>>>>> Part of Bengal also transferred to Assam. He has referred to > >> Bengali of > >>>>>>> Cachar, who thinks Cachar is not part of Assam and they use the > >> word Assam > >>>>>>> for Brahmaputra valley . He hate Bengali so he referred Bengali > >> only . We > >>>>>>> often hear Whenever an Assamese talk about Assam he means > >> Brahmaputra > >>>>>>> Vally. Only the other day AGP MPs raise question in Parliament > >> about the > >>>>>>> big river dam in Assam. They talked about Dams in Arunachal > >> Pradeh. didn't > >>>>>>> uttered a word about Tipaimukh Dam. Being a college teacher I > >> often hear my > >>>>>>> college say Assam has only three University, GU, DU and TU . They > >> just > >>>>>>> forget that there is another University call Assam university at > >> Silchar. > >>>>>>> I'm not citing these example to finds faults . I'd just request > >> you all to > >>>>>>> find the reason behind such people's psycho. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Whole India is infected with such problems and very few want it to > >> be > >>>>>>> treated positively. I know a good number of Barak Velley People > >> are > >>>>>>> waiting eagerly for separation of NC Hills and Karbi Anglong from > >> Assam, so > >>>>>>> that they get it without any blood loss. That will be another > >> Bengali lead > >>>>>>> province that way. People like Dhruba Jyoti are only working for > >> that dream > >>>>>>> comes true! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> That's why , I don't consider post colonial India is an ideal > >> country to be > >>>>>>> happy with. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Each and Every minority here lives with a guilty feeling . As if > >> he is > >>>>>>> living in a foreign land. Each and every Bengali, be he or she a > >> chauvinist > >>>>>>> or a democrat like me has to always produce certificate for his > >> loyalty > >>>>>>> towards mejortity group.Or they require a supporter like Chandanda > >> or > >>>>>>> Uttamda or Ramda to feel secured . > >>>>>>> If we get compel to follow people like Sri Deka and his or her > >> ideals , I > >>>>>>> don't know if Axom will be 'Xunor Axom' in near future , but, > >> India will be > >>>>>>> a worst country to feel proud about and live in. > >>>>>>> I know a good number of Barak Velley People are waiting eagerly > >> for > >>>>>>> separation of NC Hills and Karbi Anglong from Assam, so that they > >> get it > >>>>>>> without any blood loss. That will be another Bengali lead province > >> that way. > >>>>>>> People like Dhruba Jyoti are only working for that dream comes > >> true! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Dhruba Jyoti has said he can read Bengali,Just read a quotation > >> from Old Mad > >>>>>>> Rabindranath in My signature ,""??????????? ??????? ???? ?????? > >> ????? > >>>>>>> ???????, ????? ????? ?????? ??????" > >>>>>>> Sushanta Kar > >>>>>>> ??????? ?? > >>>>>>> ??????????, ???? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ???? ????????: > >>>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com > >>>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com > >>>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com > >>>>>>> ???? ???????? 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