>We simply cannot force him to > >>> self-censor.That will be a naughty, naughty idea.
**** What did this mean then? Did you not imply that one is free to indulge in hate speech, based on YOUR skewed and bizarre interpretation of Voltaire's defense of free-speech holds? On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:04 PM, kamal deka wrote: > At no point did I say that hate-mongering is anacceptable > behaviour.That is your opinion.Tried to share my life experience with > you all;if that amounts to "hate-speech",so be it. > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I appreciate the fact you did not lose your voice, when there is a need to >> be heard from. >> >> I don't agree with your position, which seems to suggest it is OK to indulge >> in hate-speech >> based upon your own experiences at Tinsukiya, the Assam town where the >> indigenous Assamese >> are hard to find. >> >> That is where your admonition, or rhetorical question, IF two wrongs make a >> right, comes to mind. >> >> Does it? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:28 PM, kamal deka wrote: >> >>> To all Netters save moderator, >>> Lest I be misunderstood,let me be explicit here by saying that I am >>> not ,by any reckoning,trying to defend Dhrubojyoti Deka for allegedly >>> using unpolished and unrefined words ( I don't know if he did) in this >>> Net. >>> >>> However,it reminds me of Voltaire, who once suggested that he would >>> disagree with his opponent, but would defend to the death the >>> opponent's right to have an opinion. We simply cannot force him to >>> self-censor.That will be a naughty, naughty idea. >>> >>> I was born in Tinsukia and spent quiet a few years of my life there.I >>> know how it feels like to be an Assamese in that milieu--a town where >>> we were the only Assamese ( in the main town).I also spent a few years >>> in Silchar and I had a providential escape one night during the peak >>> of Assam Movement.Those pontificating goody two shoes will never be >>> able to convince me about certain things which will remain indelibly >>> branded in my memory .I had sensed ' hate' in others really well.There >>> are certain truths in this world that cannot be erased. >>> >>> FINALLY,PACIFISM WORKS ONLY IF BOTH SIDES AGREE TO PLAY BY THE SAME >>> SET OF RULES. >>> >>> Kamaljit Deka >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka >>> <dhrubajyotid...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Are you threatening me? By showing CC, Moderator at top? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nothing to response your meaningless sentances. >>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:32:23 -0700 >>>>> From: ankur_bora2...@yahoo.com >>>>> To: assam@assamnet.org >>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >>>>> >>>>> Cc : Moderator , Assam Net >>>>> >>>>> Dhruba Jyoti , >>>>> >>>>> You mentioned in your earlier posting that you were kidding about the >>>>> topic. Your subsequent postings are quite contrary to that. >>>>> Are you kidding or are ‘you serious ? >>>>> If you are serious, have you noticed the list of websites below the >>>>> signature of Sushanta. Have you gone through the online link of >>>>> “Pragyan”? Pragyan is a fruition of painstaking work of Sushanta and >>>>> teachers of Tinsukia college. Pragyan has guided thousands of studenst of >>>>> Tinsukia and that region in career planning , higher study , creativity >>>>> and leadership. There are valuable articles published in the Assamese >>>>> section of Pragyan related to Assamese language , culture and history. >>>>> In the story of blind men and the elephant , each man described the >>>>> animal based on the part that they could feel i.e. the foreleg , the >>>>> tail and the trunk. Each one insisted that he alone was correct. Of >>>>> course, there was no conclusion for not one had thoroughly examined the >>>>> whole elephant. Their observation was limited to parts of the body, they >>>>> could not realize the magnificence and the splendor of the majestic >>>>> creature. >>>>> Would you continue to focus only on the “signature dots” or will you >>>>> open yourself to the total of the parts ? >>>>> I am not kidding here , seriously. >>>>> Ankur Bora >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Dhruba Jyoti Deka <dhrubajyotid...@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Dhruba Jyoti Deka <dhrubajyotid...@hotmail.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >>>>> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world" >>>>> <assam@assamnet.org> >>>>> Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 1:55 PM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for that. But i have seen usage of such slang recently by 2 senior >>>>> fellow here. >>>>> >>>>>> From: absarangap...@hotmail.com >>>>>> To: cmaha...@gmail.com; assam@assamnet.org >>>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:39:15 +0000 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what I was going to say. Can we or should we bear with this type >>>>>> of behavior here in Assam Net? I can't believe in today's world this >>>>>> type of mentality is still there. I thought it was a passe`. >>>>>> >>>>>> -ABS >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> >>>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:22:48 >>>>>> To: <assam@assamnet.org> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >>>>>> >>>>>> Dhruba: >>>>>> >>>>>> Those are extremely intemperate words and have no place in a forum like >>>>>> assamnet. I don't know how much you know about this forum, but I have >>>>>> been in this net for a very long time, over 12 t years. There have been >>>>>> instances like this before, but most of us nipped those in the bud. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please do NOT ever again use such vitriol against anybody, I don't care >>>>>> who. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can assure you, most of us ion this forum will share my view. And I >>>>>> invite everyone , who wish to, stand up and be counted on WHAT is right! >>>>>> Remember, when we lose our voices when it is important to set things >>>>>> straight, silence is not a virtue. >>>>>> >>>>>> cm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > I am mailing from mobile, due to power failure. That is why I will >>>>>> not be able to go point to point or detailed because of character >>>>>> limitation. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Now, Mr Sushanta, you a***** deserve only hatred. And what the hell >>>>>> is PRANTIK? Do not say what it was. Say what it is. >>>>>> > This time I would like to express that I hate Bengali people. Because >>>>>> nuisance always want that other should read and learn bangla, but never >>>>>> u nuisance read and learn other language's literature. You do write is >>>>>> another thing, that may be done by dictation and writing by other. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Final saying, it is assamnet, not your banglanet. It is all about >>>>>> Assam, not about your bangla and Rabindranath, who licked toes of >>>>>> british for prizes, while other were getting killed fighting against >>>>>> british. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > You people are the snake of hidden corner, for whom, bangladeshis are >>>>>> getting ease to settle in Assam. You people helping them, so that one >>>>>> day bangla becomes the majority language of assam. Bloody backbitter >>>>>> bangladeshi. >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> From: pragyan.ts...@gmail.com >>>>>> >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:47:16 +0530 >>>>>> >> To: assam@assamnet.org >>>>>> >> Subject: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Dear >>>>>> >> Krishnendu and others >>>>>> >> "'I have always found a handful chauvinist like you who are up in >>>>>> arms to >>>>>> >> discourage people like me or Sushanta.' said Krishnendu. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> That's why very few Bengali come and join here. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Dhrubojyoty started all these arguments only because he hate >>>>>> Bengali. There >>>>>> >> is no use of argue with him. I'm not going to. >>>>>> >> I can only state that there are thousands of Bengali here in Assam >>>>>> and >>>>>> >> Elsewhere who also hate Assamese and never talk anything positive >>>>>> about >>>>>> >> them. I have bad experiences with them either. >>>>>> >> The point is, dose Dhruba Deka and people like him want that those >>>>>> people >>>>>> >> living in Assam and speak languages other then Assamese should create >>>>>> >> separate group and talk all the rubbish like Dhrubajyoti against >>>>>> Assamese. >>>>>> >> Will it be a healthy practice? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> As far my knowledge goes, in University level Assamese was first >>>>>> introduced >>>>>> >> in Kolkata University. After creation of GU and DU Assamese >>>>>> department there >>>>>> >> ceased to exist only because dearth of Student. Saying thus, I don't >>>>>> want to >>>>>> >> certify West Bengal as as ideal state of the country. I don't need >>>>>> to. >>>>>> >> Because that was/ is not my state. >>>>>> >> Rather , Personally I think , it's a disease which was imported >>>>>> from modern >>>>>> >> Europe and has infected whole the country and all the states.( I'm >>>>>> talking >>>>>> >> about the very concept of 'Nation State and nation Building'.) Every >>>>>> one is >>>>>> >> here busy with creating their own nation. And so, no where in India >>>>>> minority >>>>>> >> linguistic groups enjoys the equal status and honor. Most of the >>>>>> linguistic >>>>>> >> group has no state to claim their own. That's why Rajbonshis are >>>>>> fighting >>>>>> >> against both Assam and Bengal government for recognition of their >>>>>> mother >>>>>> >> tongues. >>>>>> >> Ask them , they will say if the government and Middle Class Bengali >>>>>> and >>>>>> >> Assamese has any different attitude towards them. To my knowledge, >>>>>> No. No >>>>>> >> one want them to secede from the Majority language! If they are >>>>>> Bengali, >>>>>> >> then WB Bengali should have been fight for their right in Assam. If >>>>>> they are >>>>>> >> Assamese ,Assamese should have been fight for their right in Bengal. >>>>>> But, >>>>>> >> who bother? Rather friends like Dhruba Jyoti Deka prefer to behave >>>>>> same >>>>>> >> way in thier own state. This was he will forget those Assamese who >>>>>> lives >>>>>> >> elsewhere, specially in WB and Bangladesh. His Bengali counterpart >>>>>> will >>>>>> >> exclude those Bengali who live out side the Border of WB. >>>>>> >> Dhrubajyoti may consider Bengali as Migrant in Assam, I'm not. He >>>>>> just >>>>>> >> forgot that present Assam is a >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Conglomeration of different region and part of provinces of British >>>>>> India. A >>>>>> >> Part of Bengal also transferred to Assam. He has referred to Bengali >>>>>> of >>>>>> >> Cachar, who thinks Cachar is not part of Assam and they use the word >>>>>> Assam >>>>>> >> for Brahmaputra valley . He hate Bengali so he referred Bengali only >>>>>> . We >>>>>> >> often hear Whenever an Assamese talk about Assam he means Brahmaputra >>>>>> >> Vally. Only the other day AGP MPs raise question in Parliament >>>>>> about the >>>>>> >> big river dam in Assam. They talked about Dams in Arunachal Pradeh. >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> >> uttered a word about Tipaimukh Dam. Being a college teacher I often >>>>>> hear my >>>>>> >> college say Assam has only three University, GU, DU and TU . They >>>>>> just >>>>>> >> forget that there is another University call Assam university at >>>>>> Silchar. >>>>>> >> I'm not citing these example to finds faults . I'd just request you >>>>>> all to >>>>>> >> find the reason behind such people's psycho. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Whole India is infected with such problems and very few want it to be >>>>>> >> treated positively. I know a good number of Barak Velley People are >>>>>> >> waiting eagerly for separation of NC Hills and Karbi Anglong from >>>>>> Assam, so >>>>>> >> that they get it without any blood loss. That will be another >>>>>> Bengali lead >>>>>> >> province that way. People like Dhruba Jyoti are only working for >>>>>> that dream >>>>>> >> comes true! >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> That's why , I don't consider post colonial India is an ideal >>>>>> country to be >>>>>> >> happy with. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Each and Every minority here lives with a guilty feeling . As if he >>>>>> is >>>>>> >> living in a foreign land. Each and every Bengali, be he or she a >>>>>> chauvinist >>>>>> >> or a democrat like me has to always produce certificate for his >>>>>> loyalty >>>>>> >> towards mejortity group.Or they require a supporter like Chandanda or >>>>>> >> Uttamda or Ramda to feel secured . >>>>>> >> If we get compel to follow people like Sri Deka and his or her >>>>>> ideals , I >>>>>> >> don't know if Axom will be 'Xunor Axom' in near future , but, India >>>>>> will be >>>>>> >> a worst country to feel proud about and live in. >>>>>> >> I know a good number of Barak Velley People are waiting eagerly for >>>>>> >> separation of NC Hills and Karbi Anglong from Assam, so that they >>>>>> get it >>>>>> >> without any blood loss. That will be another Bengali lead province >>>>>> that way. >>>>>> >> People like Dhruba Jyoti are only working for that dream comes true! >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Dhruba Jyoti has said he can read Bengali,Just read a quotation from >>>>>> Old Mad >>>>>> >> Rabindranath in My signature ,""??????????? ??????? ???? ?????? ????? >>>>>> >> ???????, ????? ????? ?????? ??????" >>>>>> >> Sushanta Kar >>>>>> >> ??????? ?? >>>>>> >> ??????????, ???? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> ???? ????????: >>>>>> >> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com >>>>>> >> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com >>>>>> >> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com >>>>>> >> ???? ???????? '????????' >>>>>> >> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com >>>>>> >> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now >>>>>> >> ??? ???????????? ???? ?? ???????? ??? ???: >>>>>> >> http://www.xobdo.org/ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> "??????????? ??????? ???? ?????? ????? ???????, ????? ????? ?????? >>>>>> ??????" >>>>>> >> ??????????? >>>>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> assam mailing list >>>>>> >> assam@assamnet.org >>>>>> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>>>> > >>>>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>>>> > assam mailing list >>>>>> > assam@assamnet.org >>>>>> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> assam mailing list >>>>>> assam@assamnet.org >>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> assam mailing list >>>>>> assam@assamnet.org >>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> assam mailing list >>>>> assam@assamnet.org >>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> assam mailing list >>>>> assam@assamnet.org >>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> assam mailing list >>>> assam@assamnet.org >>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> assam mailing list >>> assam@assamnet.org >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> assam mailing list >> assam@assamnet.org >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org >> > > _______________________________________________ > assam mailing list > assam@assamnet.org > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org _______________________________________________ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
