*"I had sensed ' hate' in others really well.There are certain truths in this world that cannot be erased." * Correct words Kamal! That's why I don't prescribe those ideas that Chauvinism here is only Assamese Specific. That's why I wrote , it's a British and post British Indian disease. It's Bengali, whom parochialism is nonparallel to any other Indian. It's Bengali, who started imitating the very British concept of Nation State Building in India. And the result is Division of Bengal.
Rest are on you. You are intelligent enough to get the points. No truth can be erased. You need not to. Dhruba Jyoti, and possibly you too, can't imagine that even I'm concerned about the future of Assam and Assamese, where Bengali may turned into majority. Dhruba Jyoti is right, a good section of Bengali elite are waiting for the day silently. And If all the immigrant muslim write their mother tongue as Bengali in next census the day is not far . But, my point is can hatred solve the problem? One hate you, so you hate him in return. Where is the end? We had our own mechanism of unity and assimilation in Pre-British India and Assam. No one was concerned about who is Bengali and Assamese then. Most of the people doesn't knew the meaning of such words. What we can do is, We can invent those age old mechanism, edit the present truth and re-write the history. It doesn't matter , if any Assamese like Dhruba Jyoti hate me or not, Assam was/ is My Land. I'm one of those minority Democrat ( Be they Assamese or Bengali or whatever else) do believe from my heart that it's Assam and NE India will teach India how to re-invent and practice true spirit of India "Unity in Diversity', Teach India how to respect and accept the 'OTHERS' and live in with peace and tranquility. Sushanta Kar On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM, kamal deka <kjit.d...@gmail.com> wrote: > To all Netters save moderator, > Lest I be misunderstood,let me be explicit here by saying that I am > not ,by any reckoning,trying to defend Dhrubojyoti Deka for allegedly > using unpolished and unrefined words ( I don't know if he did) in this > Net. > > However,it reminds me of Voltaire, who once suggested that he would > disagree with his opponent, but would defend to the death the > opponent's right to have an opinion. We simply cannot force him to > self-censor.That will be a naughty, naughty idea. > > I was born in Tinsukia and spent quiet a few years of my life there.I > know how it feels like to be an Assamese in that milieu--a town where > we were the only Assamese ( in the main town).I also spent a few years > in Silchar and I had a providential escape one night during the peak > of Assam Movement.Those pontificating goody two shoes will never be > able to convince me about certain things which will remain indelibly > branded in my memory .I had sensed ' hate' in others really well.There > are certain truths in this world that cannot be erased. > > FINALLY,PACIFISM WORKS ONLY IF BOTH SIDES AGREE TO PLAY BY THE SAME > SET OF RULES. > > Kamaljit Deka > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka > <dhrubajyotid...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Are you threatening me? By showing CC, Moderator at top? > > > > > > > > Nothing to response your meaningless sentances. > > > >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:32:23 -0700 > >> From: ankur_bora2...@yahoo.com > >> To: assam@assamnet.org > >> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >> > >> Cc : Moderator , Assam Net > >> > >> Dhruba Jyoti , > >> > >> You mentioned in your earlier posting that you were kidding about the > topic. Your subsequent postings are quite contrary to that. > >> Are you kidding or are ‘you serious ? > >> If you are serious, have you noticed the list of websites below the > signature of Sushanta. Have you gone through the online link of “Pragyan”? > Pragyan is a fruition of painstaking work of Sushanta and teachers of > Tinsukia college. Pragyan has guided thousands of studenst of Tinsukia and > that region in career planning , higher study , creativity and leadership. > There are valuable articles published in the Assamese section of Pragyan > related to Assamese language , culture and history. > >> In the story of blind men and the elephant , each man described the > animal based on the part that they could feel i.e. the foreleg , the tail > and the trunk. Each one insisted that he alone was correct. Of course, there > was no conclusion for not one had thoroughly examined the whole elephant. > Their observation was limited to parts of the body, they could not realize > the magnificence and the splendor of the majestic creature. > >> Would you continue to focus only on the “signature dots” or will you > open yourself to the total of the parts ? > >> I am not kidding here , seriously. > >> Ankur Bora > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Dhruba Jyoti Deka <dhrubajyotid...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Dhruba Jyoti Deka <dhrubajyotid...@hotmail.com> > >> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the > world" <assam@assamnet.org> > >> Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 1:55 PM > >> > >> > >> Sorry for that. But i have seen usage of such slang recently by 2 senior > fellow here. > >> > >> > From: absarangap...@hotmail.com > >> > To: cmaha...@gmail.com; assam@assamnet.org > >> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:39:15 +0000 > >> > Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >> > > >> > That's what I was going to say. Can we or should we bear with this > type of behavior here in Assam Net? I can't believe in today's world this > type of mentality is still there. I thought it was a passe`. > >> > > >> > -ABS > >> > > >> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> > >> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:22:48 > >> > To: <assam@assamnet.org> > >> > Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >> > > >> > Dhruba: > >> > > >> > Those are extremely intemperate words and have no place in a forum > like assamnet. I don't know how much you know about this forum, but I have > been in this net for a very long time, over 12 t years. There have been > instances like this before, but most of us nipped those in the bud. > >> > > >> > Please do NOT ever again use such vitriol against anybody, I don't > care who. > >> > > >> > I can assure you, most of us ion this forum will share my view. And I > invite everyone , who wish to, stand up and be counted on WHAT is right! > Remember, when we lose our voices when it is important to set things > straight, silence is not a virtue. > >> > > >> > cm > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote: > >> > > >> > > I am mailing from mobile, due to power failure. That is why I will > not be able to go point to point or detailed because of character > limitation. > >> > > > >> > > Now, Mr Sushanta, you a***** deserve only hatred. And what the hell > is PRANTIK? Do not say what it was. Say what it is. > >> > > This time I would like to express that I hate Bengali people. > Because nuisance always want that other should read and learn bangla, but > never u nuisance read and learn other language's literature. You do write is > another thing, that may be done by dictation and writing by other. > >> > > > >> > > Final saying, it is assamnet, not your banglanet. It is all about > Assam, not about your bangla and Rabindranath, who licked toes of british > for prizes, while other were getting killed fighting against british. > >> > > > >> > > You people are the snake of hidden corner, for whom, bangladeshis > are getting ease to settle in Assam. You people helping them, so that one > day bangla becomes the majority language of assam. Bloody backbitter > bangladeshi. > >> > > > >> > >> From: pragyan.ts...@gmail.com > >> > >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:47:16 +0530 > >> > >> To: assam@assamnet.org > >> > >> Subject: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear > >> > >> Krishnendu and others > >> > >> "'I have always found a handful chauvinist like you who are up in > arms to > >> > >> discourage people like me or Sushanta.' said Krishnendu. > >> > >> > >> > >> That's why very few Bengali come and join here. > >> > >> > >> > >> Dhrubojyoty started all these arguments only because he hate > Bengali. There > >> > >> is no use of argue with him. I'm not going to. > >> > >> I can only state that there are thousands of Bengali here in Assam > and > >> > >> Elsewhere who also hate Assamese and never talk anything positive > about > >> > >> them. I have bad experiences with them either. > >> > >> The point is, dose Dhruba Deka and people like him want that > those people > >> > >> living in Assam and speak languages other then Assamese should > create > >> > >> separate group and talk all the rubbish like Dhrubajyoti against > Assamese. > >> > >> Will it be a healthy practice? > >> > >> > >> > >> As far my knowledge goes, in University level Assamese was first > introduced > >> > >> in Kolkata University. After creation of GU and DU Assamese > department there > >> > >> ceased to exist only because dearth of Student. Saying thus, I > don't want to > >> > >> certify West Bengal as as ideal state of the country. I don't > need to. > >> > >> Because that was/ is not my state. > >> > >> Rather , Personally I think , it's a disease which was imported > from modern > >> > >> Europe and has infected whole the country and all the states.( I'm > talking > >> > >> about the very concept of 'Nation State and nation Building'.) > Every one is > >> > >> here busy with creating their own nation. And so, no where in > India minority > >> > >> linguistic groups enjoys the equal status and honor. Most of the > linguistic > >> > >> group has no state to claim their own. That's why Rajbonshis are > fighting > >> > >> against both Assam and Bengal government for recognition of their > mother > >> > >> tongues. > >> > >> Ask them , they will say if the government and Middle Class > Bengali and > >> > >> Assamese has any different attitude towards them. To my knowledge, > No. No > >> > >> one want them to secede from the Majority language! If they are > Bengali, > >> > >> then WB Bengali should have been fight for their right in Assam. > If they are > >> > >> Assamese ,Assamese should have been fight for their right in > Bengal. But, > >> > >> who bother? Rather friends like Dhruba Jyoti Deka prefer to > behave same > >> > >> way in thier own state. This was he will forget those Assamese > who lives > >> > >> elsewhere, specially in WB and Bangladesh. His Bengali counterpart > will > >> > >> exclude those Bengali who live out side the Border of WB. > >> > >> Dhrubajyoti may consider Bengali as Migrant in Assam, I'm not. He > just > >> > >> forgot that present Assam is a > >> > >> > >> > >> Conglomeration of different region and part of provinces of > British India. A > >> > >> Part of Bengal also transferred to Assam. He has referred to > Bengali of > >> > >> Cachar, who thinks Cachar is not part of Assam and they use the > word Assam > >> > >> for Brahmaputra valley . He hate Bengali so he referred Bengali > only . We > >> > >> often hear Whenever an Assamese talk about Assam he means > Brahmaputra > >> > >> Vally. Only the other day AGP MPs raise question in Parliament > about the > >> > >> big river dam in Assam. They talked about Dams in Arunachal > Pradeh. didn't > >> > >> uttered a word about Tipaimukh Dam. Being a college teacher I > often hear my > >> > >> college say Assam has only three University, GU, DU and TU . They > just > >> > >> forget that there is another University call Assam university at > Silchar. > >> > >> I'm not citing these example to finds faults . I'd just request > you all to > >> > >> find the reason behind such people's psycho. > >> > >> > >> > >> Whole India is infected with such problems and very few want it to > be > >> > >> treated positively. I know a good number of Barak Velley People > are > >> > >> waiting eagerly for separation of NC Hills and Karbi Anglong from > Assam, so > >> > >> that they get it without any blood loss. That will be another > Bengali lead > >> > >> province that way. People like Dhruba Jyoti are only working for > that dream > >> > >> comes true! > >> > >> > >> > >> That's why , I don't consider post colonial India is an ideal > country to be > >> > >> happy with. > >> > >> > >> > >> Each and Every minority here lives with a guilty feeling . As if > he is > >> > >> living in a foreign land. Each and every Bengali, be he or she a > chauvinist > >> > >> or a democrat like me has to always produce certificate for his > loyalty > >> > >> towards mejortity group.Or they require a supporter like Chandanda > or > >> > >> Uttamda or Ramda to feel secured . > >> > >> If we get compel to follow people like Sri Deka and his or her > ideals , I > >> > >> don't know if Axom will be 'Xunor Axom' in near future , but, > India will be > >> > >> a worst country to feel proud about and live in. > >> > >> I know a good number of Barak Velley People are waiting eagerly > for > >> > >> separation of NC Hills and Karbi Anglong from Assam, so that they > get it > >> > >> without any blood loss. That will be another Bengali lead province > that way. > >> > >> People like Dhruba Jyoti are only working for that dream comes > true! > >> > >> > >> > >> Dhruba Jyoti has said he can read Bengali,Just read a quotation > from Old Mad > >> > >> Rabindranath in My signature ,""??????????? ??????? ???? ?????? > ????? > >> > >> ???????, ????? ????? ?????? ??????" > >> > >> Sushanta Kar > >> > >> ??????? ?? > >> > >> ??????????, ???? > >> > >> > >> > >> ???? ????????: > >> > >> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com > >> > >> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com > >> > >> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com > >> > >> ???? ???????? 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