PACIFISM WORKS ONLY IF BOTH PARTIES AGREE TO PLAY BY THE SAME SET OF RULES.That's exactly what I said. Kamal.
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Sushanta Kar <pragyan.ts...@gmail.com> wrote: > *"I had sensed ' hate' in others really well.There > are certain truths in this world that cannot be erased." > * > Correct words Kamal! That's why I don't prescribe those ideas that > Chauvinism here is only Assamese Specific. That's why I wrote , it's a > British and post British Indian disease. It's Bengali, whom parochialism is > nonparallel to any other Indian. It's Bengali, who started imitating the > very British concept of Nation State Building in India. And the result is > Division of Bengal. > > Rest are on you. You are intelligent enough to get the points. No truth can > be erased. You need not to. Dhruba Jyoti, and possibly you too, can't > imagine that even I'm concerned about the future of Assam and Assamese, > where Bengali may turned into majority. Dhruba Jyoti is right, a good > section of Bengali elite are waiting for the day silently. And If all the > immigrant muslim write their mother tongue as Bengali in next census the day > is not far . > But, my point is can hatred solve the problem? > One hate you, so you hate him in return. Where is the end? > We had our own mechanism of unity and assimilation in Pre-British India and > Assam. > No one was concerned about who is Bengali and Assamese then. Most of the > people doesn't knew the meaning of such words. > What we can do is, We can invent those age old mechanism, edit the present > truth and re-write the history. > It doesn't matter , if any Assamese like Dhruba Jyoti hate me or not, Assam > was/ is My Land. I'm one of those minority Democrat ( Be they Assamese or > Bengali or whatever else) do believe from my heart that it's Assam and NE > India will teach India how to re-invent and practice true spirit of India > "Unity in Diversity', Teach India how to respect and accept the 'OTHERS' and > live in with peace and tranquility. > > > Sushanta Kar > > > > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 8:58 AM, kamal deka <kjit.d...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> To all Netters save moderator, >> Lest I be misunderstood,let me be explicit here by saying that I am >> not ,by any reckoning,trying to defend Dhrubojyoti Deka for allegedly >> using unpolished and unrefined words ( I don't know if he did) in this >> Net. >> >> However,it reminds me of Voltaire, who once suggested that he would >> disagree with his opponent, but would defend to the death the >> opponent's right to have an opinion. We simply cannot force him to >> self-censor.That will be a naughty, naughty idea. >> >> I was born in Tinsukia and spent quiet a few years of my life there.I >> know how it feels like to be an Assamese in that milieu--a town where >> we were the only Assamese ( in the main town).I also spent a few years >> in Silchar and I had a providential escape one night during the peak >> of Assam Movement.Those pontificating goody two shoes will never be >> able to convince me about certain things which will remain indelibly >> branded in my memory .I had sensed ' hate' in others really well.There >> are certain truths in this world that cannot be erased. >> >> FINALLY,PACIFISM WORKS ONLY IF BOTH SIDES AGREE TO PLAY BY THE SAME >> SET OF RULES. >> >> Kamaljit Deka >> >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka >> <dhrubajyotid...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Are you threatening me? By showing CC, Moderator at top? >> > >> > >> > >> > Nothing to response your meaningless sentances. >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 18:32:23 -0700 >> >> From: ankur_bora2...@yahoo.com >> >> To: assam@assamnet.org >> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >> >> >> >> Cc : Moderator , Assam Net >> >> >> >> Dhruba Jyoti , >> >> >> >> You mentioned in your earlier posting that you were kidding about the >> topic. Your subsequent postings are quite contrary to that. >> >> Are you kidding or are ‘you serious ? >> >> If you are serious, have you noticed the list of websites below the >> signature of Sushanta. Have you gone through the online link of “Pragyan”? >> Pragyan is a fruition of painstaking work of Sushanta and teachers of >> Tinsukia college. Pragyan has guided thousands of studenst of Tinsukia and >> that region in career planning , higher study , creativity and leadership. >> There are valuable articles published in the Assamese section of Pragyan >> related to Assamese language , culture and history. >> >> In the story of blind men and the elephant , each man described the >> animal based on the part that they could feel i.e. the foreleg , the tail >> and the trunk. Each one insisted that he alone was correct. Of course, there >> was no conclusion for not one had thoroughly examined the whole elephant. >> Their observation was limited to parts of the body, they could not realize >> the magnificence and the splendor of the majestic creature. >> >> Would you continue to focus only on the “signature dots” or will you >> open yourself to the total of the parts ? >> >> I am not kidding here , seriously. >> >> Ankur Bora >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Dhruba Jyoti Deka <dhrubajyotid...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Dhruba Jyoti Deka <dhrubajyotid...@hotmail.com> >> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >> >> To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the >> world" <assam@assamnet.org> >> >> Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 1:55 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> Sorry for that. But i have seen usage of such slang recently by 2 senior >> fellow here. >> >> >> >> > From: absarangap...@hotmail.com >> >> > To: cmaha...@gmail.com; assam@assamnet.org >> >> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:39:15 +0000 >> >> > Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >> >> > >> >> > That's what I was going to say. Can we or should we bear with this >> type of behavior here in Assam Net? I can't believe in today's world this >> type of mentality is still there. I thought it was a passe`. >> >> > >> >> > -ABS >> >> > >> >> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: Chan Mahanta <cmaha...@gmail.com> >> >> > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:22:48 >> >> > To: <assam@assamnet.org> >> >> > Subject: Re: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >> >> > >> >> > Dhruba: >> >> > >> >> > Those are extremely intemperate words and have no place in a forum >> like assamnet. I don't know how much you know about this forum, but I have >> been in this net for a very long time, over 12 t years. There have been >> instances like this before, but most of us nipped those in the bud. >> >> > >> >> > Please do NOT ever again use such vitriol against anybody, I don't >> care who. >> >> > >> >> > I can assure you, most of us ion this forum will share my view. And I >> invite everyone , who wish to, stand up and be counted on WHAT is right! >> Remember, when we lose our voices when it is important to set things >> straight, silence is not a virtue. >> >> > >> >> > cm >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Dhruba Jyoti Deka wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > I am mailing from mobile, due to power failure. That is why I will >> not be able to go point to point or detailed because of character >> limitation. >> >> > > >> >> > > Now, Mr Sushanta, you a***** deserve only hatred. And what the hell >> is PRANTIK? Do not say what it was. Say what it is. >> >> > > This time I would like to express that I hate Bengali people. >> Because nuisance always want that other should read and learn bangla, but >> never u nuisance read and learn other language's literature. You do write is >> another thing, that may be done by dictation and writing by other. >> >> > > >> >> > > Final saying, it is assamnet, not your banglanet. It is all about >> Assam, not about your bangla and Rabindranath, who licked toes of british >> for prizes, while other were getting killed fighting against british. >> >> > > >> >> > > You people are the snake of hidden corner, for whom, bangladeshis >> are getting ease to settle in Assam. You people helping them, so that one >> day bangla becomes the majority language of assam. Bloody backbitter >> bangladeshi. >> >> > > >> >> > >> From: pragyan.ts...@gmail.com >> >> > >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:47:16 +0530 >> >> > >> To: assam@assamnet.org >> >> > >> Subject: [Assam] Ramayana in Comic form >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Dear >> >> > >> Krishnendu and others >> >> > >> "'I have always found a handful chauvinist like you who are up in >> arms to >> >> > >> discourage people like me or Sushanta.' said Krishnendu. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> That's why very few Bengali come and join here. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Dhrubojyoty started all these arguments only because he hate >> Bengali. There >> >> > >> is no use of argue with him. I'm not going to. >> >> > >> I can only state that there are thousands of Bengali here in Assam >> and >> >> > >> Elsewhere who also hate Assamese and never talk anything positive >> about >> >> > >> them. I have bad experiences with them either. >> >> > >> The point is, dose Dhruba Deka and people like him want that >> those people >> >> > >> living in Assam and speak languages other then Assamese should >> create >> >> > >> separate group and talk all the rubbish like Dhrubajyoti against >> Assamese. >> >> > >> Will it be a healthy practice? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> As far my knowledge goes, in University level Assamese was first >> introduced >> >> > >> in Kolkata University. After creation of GU and DU Assamese >> department there >> >> > >> ceased to exist only because dearth of Student. Saying thus, I >> don't want to >> >> > >> certify West Bengal as as ideal state of the country. I don't >> need to. >> >> > >> Because that was/ is not my state. >> >> > >> Rather , Personally I think , it's a disease which was imported >> from modern >> >> > >> Europe and has infected whole the country and all the states.( I'm >> talking >> >> > >> about the very concept of 'Nation State and nation Building'.) >> Every one is >> >> > >> here busy with creating their own nation. And so, no where in >> India minority >> >> > >> linguistic groups enjoys the equal status and honor. Most of the >> linguistic >> >> > >> group has no state to claim their own. That's why Rajbonshis are >> fighting >> >> > >> against both Assam and Bengal government for recognition of their >> mother >> >> > >> tongues. >> >> > >> Ask them , they will say if the government and Middle Class >> Bengali and >> >> > >> Assamese has any different attitude towards them. To my knowledge, >> No. No >> >> > >> one want them to secede from the Majority language! If they are >> Bengali, >> >> > >> then WB Bengali should have been fight for their right in Assam. >> If they are >> >> > >> Assamese ,Assamese should have been fight for their right in >> Bengal. But, >> >> > >> who bother? Rather friends like Dhruba Jyoti Deka prefer to >> behave same >> >> > >> way in thier own state. This was he will forget those Assamese >> who lives >> >> > >> elsewhere, specially in WB and Bangladesh. His Bengali counterpart >> will >> >> > >> exclude those Bengali who live out side the Border of WB. >> >> > >> Dhrubajyoti may consider Bengali as Migrant in Assam, I'm not. He >> just >> >> > >> forgot that present Assam is a >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Conglomeration of different region and part of provinces of >> British India. A >> >> > >> Part of Bengal also transferred to Assam. He has referred to >> Bengali of >> >> > >> Cachar, who thinks Cachar is not part of Assam and they use the >> word Assam >> >> > >> for Brahmaputra valley . He hate Bengali so he referred Bengali >> only . We >> >> > >> often hear Whenever an Assamese talk about Assam he means >> Brahmaputra >> >> > >> Vally. Only the other day AGP MPs raise question in Parliament >> about the >> >> > >> big river dam in Assam. They talked about Dams in Arunachal >> Pradeh. didn't >> >> > >> uttered a word about Tipaimukh Dam. Being a college teacher I >> often hear my >> >> > >> college say Assam has only three University, GU, DU and TU . They >> just >> >> > >> forget that there is another University call Assam university at >> Silchar. >> >> > >> I'm not citing these example to finds faults . I'd just request >> you all to >> >> > >> find the reason behind such people's psycho. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Whole India is infected with such problems and very few want it to >> be >> >> > >> treated positively. I know a good number of Barak Velley People >> are >> >> > >> waiting eagerly for separation of NC Hills and Karbi Anglong from >> Assam, so >> >> > >> that they get it without any blood loss. That will be another >> Bengali lead >> >> > >> province that way. People like Dhruba Jyoti are only working for >> that dream >> >> > >> comes true! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> That's why , I don't consider post colonial India is an ideal >> country to be >> >> > >> happy with. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Each and Every minority here lives with a guilty feeling . As if >> he is >> >> > >> living in a foreign land. Each and every Bengali, be he or she a >> chauvinist >> >> > >> or a democrat like me has to always produce certificate for his >> loyalty >> >> > >> towards mejortity group.Or they require a supporter like Chandanda >> or >> >> > >> Uttamda or Ramda to feel secured . >> >> > >> If we get compel to follow people like Sri Deka and his or her >> ideals , I >> >> > >> don't know if Axom will be 'Xunor Axom' in near future , but, >> India will be >> >> > >> a worst country to feel proud about and live in. >> >> > >> I know a good number of Barak Velley People are waiting eagerly >> for >> >> > >> separation of NC Hills and Karbi Anglong from Assam, so that they >> get it >> >> > >> without any blood loss. That will be another Bengali lead province >> that way. >> >> > >> People like Dhruba Jyoti are only working for that dream comes >> true! >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Dhruba Jyoti has said he can read Bengali,Just read a quotation >> from Old Mad >> >> > >> Rabindranath in My signature ,""??????????? ??????? ???? ?????? >> ????? >> >> > >> ???????, ????? ????? ?????? ??????" >> >> > >> Sushanta Kar >> >> > >> ??????? ?? >> >> > >> ??????????, ???? >> >> > >> >> >> > >> ???? ????????: >> >> > >> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com >> >> > >> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com >> >> > >> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com >> >> > >> ???? ???????? 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