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Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] It takes a
village
At 11:13 AM -0500 5/19/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
Chandan:
I was
confused.
*** No need to be confused Rajen. I know it is convenient to be confused
sometimes. But like everything else, misuse or overuse, could leave people
wondering :-).
I thought
you were talking about changing GOI to Singapore model.
*** What about GOI transforming to a Singapore mode? Would you approve of
it? If not why? And even if yes, would it be possible?
But
may be not. Looks like you are talking about Assam. taking Assam away,
making her an independent country on a Singapore model? I am glad that
finally you have voiced your position.
*** Singapore is only one model. I cited that, specifically, because you
are stuck in the notion that improvement is not possible because the Assamese
are BAD, or even the Indians are BAD, and that until they become GOOD, they
are doomed. I don't think I need to tell you again what I think of that
notion. So I cited Singapore to demonstrate that the 'people are bad,
and thus nothing could be done theory' of yours and staunchly supported by
Ram, is a very holy one--full of large holes that is.
There are also other good models around to draw lessons from.
BTW, I have been extremely curious about your solution -- I mean how to
cure the Assamese or the Indians of their BADness.
I realize that I should not expect you or anybody else to come up with a
complete set of blueprints, signed, sealed and ready to submit for permits,
considering that we are discussing and debating concepts, and that none of us
have either the expertise or the resources to deliver a complete plan.
But how about just the concept/s?
I know some of you have demanded detailed solutions of me, but I know
why. That is only because you all had trouble rebutting my ideas conceptually,
so you had to resort to attacking them on grounds that I had never proposed a
detailed solution blueprint. But that is kind of childish, won't you think? I
mean, who are you kidding? That is insulting the intelligence of Assam
Netters. I may not agree with many Netters' ideas or beliefs, but I would not
insult their intelligence with such tactics or arguments.
I say, Best
of Luck. Get the support of the Assamese people and go for
it.
*** Thanks for the support. But you did not explain whether you think it
is a good idea or bad. Do you believe it would be good for Assam? If not
why not?
That is the
beauty of democracy. You can do what you want with the support of the
majority.
*** This can be tricky you know? For example, what if a majority
vote in CORRUPTION as a preferred way of life? Or stealing from others? Or
oppressing the minorities and the weak? Of course I mean democratically,
with majority approval.
Also, since you and others have decide that the majority of the people
are BAD, how could they be trusted to vote in or support something GOOD? And
even if they did vote in something good, how could you be sure it is not
merely for show? And like the bad people they are, how could you be sure they
will not start degrading it from day one?
It seems to me here that there is a big flaw in your concept of
democracy. There is a big fallacy.
But what is it? Think about it Rajen.
If
some monority opposes, you can always play
desi-demokresi.
*** This comment further demonstrates and accentuates the fact that the
concept of democracy that you throw around is fallacious and flawed. It is a
double whammy.
Question now is if you realize what you are missing. I know you are
eminently able to figure out where the fallacies lie. I also think you wrote
what you did on a knee-jerk response, without thinking things thru. But just
so you don't leave everyone guessing, perhaps you will retract and explain,
what you missed here.
Don't worry, we won't think of you as untrustworthy or any such thing. We
all slip sometime. The trick here is to be able to correct ourselves when we
figure out, or are shown, what the mistakes are.
It is the ability to learn from ones mistakes that separates one from the
incorrigible, like operators of desi-demokrasy often are.
Take care.
c
Rajen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] It takes a village
Kamal:
My guess is that most, if not all, of the Assam
net advocates of desi-
demokrasy would accept a Singapore style
democratic republic, even though
they might not be able to do so in
these discussions, primarily for face saving
considerations
:-).
But it is not hard to imagine that there will be a period of
transition of a few
months, even years--two, three--maybe even five,
which could cause
displeasure, even suffering, particularly to those
who have gotten used to
their comfortable dispensations aquired under
the present state of anarchy
and
oligarchy.
c-da
>
> From:
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> Date: 2005/05/18 Wed PM 11:20:26 EDT
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To: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
> Subject: [Assam] It takes a
village
>
>
Cd,
That's why I wrote " This is not to say that such
actions can be yoked to religion itself".
You are right.Just forty years ago, Singapore was a
war-battered British port,which had rapidly growing,poor,uneducated
population living in slums and households.Singapore struggled along until
1965,when it became an independent nation with prime minister Yew in firm
control.Forty years later,75% of families,the previous slum-dwellers own
their homes.Despite a few harsh measures ( eg,forced savings),Singaporeans
are happy with their paternalistic government.
KJD
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