Re: [Assam] It takes a village

Chan Mahanta Fri, 20 May 2005 11:07:45 -0700

Title: Re: [Assam] It takes a village

Rajen:

You could be right that I missed your point. Would you mind correcting me? Just a short brief i on what your point is and how I was heading in the complete opposite direction will do. Maybe I will get it yet, in spite of my other worldly dispositions :-).

And don't avoid the question I asked, if you don't mind, about your solution concepts. If for nothing else, as fair play. Because I always answer your and others' questions, to the best of my abilities.

At 10:06 AM -0500 5/20/05, Rajen Barua wrote:

You have misssed the issue 180 deg.

Seems we are living in two different planets

Hobo Diok

Rajen

----- Original Message -----

From: Chan Mahanta

To: Rajen Barua ; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:20 AM

Subject: Re: [Assam] It takes a village

At 11:13 AM -0500 5/19/05, Rajen Barua wrote:

Chandan:

I was confused.

*** No need to be confused Rajen. I know it is convenient to be confused sometimes. But like everything else, misuse or overuse, could leave people wondering :-).

I thought you were talking about changing GOI to Singapore model.

*** What about GOI transforming to a Singapore mode? Would you approve of it? If not why? And even if yes, would it be possible?

But may be not. Looks like you are talking about Assam. taking Assam away, making her an independent country on a Singapore model? I am glad that finally you have voiced your position.

*** Singapore is only one model. I cited that, specifically, because you are stuck in the notion that improvement is not possible because the Assamese are BAD, or even the Indians are BAD, and that until they become GOOD, they are doomed. I don't think I need to tell you again what I think of that notion. So I cited Singapore to demonstrate that the 'people are bad, and thus nothing could be done theory' of yours and staunchly supported by Ram, is a very holy one--full of large holes that is.

There are also other good models around to draw lessons from.

BTW, I have been extremely curious about your solution -- I mean how to cure the Assamese or the Indians of their BADness.

I realize that I should not expect you or anybody else to come up with a complete set of blueprints, signed, sealed and ready to submit for permits, considering that we are discussing and debating concepts, and that none of us have either the expertise or the resources to deliver a complete plan. But how about just the concept/s?

I know some of you have demanded detailed solutions of me, but I know why. That is only because you all had trouble rebutting my ideas conceptually, so you had to resort to attacking them on grounds that I had never proposed a detailed solution blueprint. But that is kind of childish, won't you think? I mean, who are you kidding? That is insulting the intelligence of Assam Netters. I may not agree with many Netters' ideas or beliefs, but I would not insult their intelligence with such tactics or arguments.

I say, Best of Luck. Get the support of the Assamese people and go for it.

*** Thanks for the support. But you did not explain whether you think it is a good idea or bad. Do you believe it would be good for Assam? If not why not?

That is the beauty of democracy. You can do what you want with the support of the majority.

*** This can be tricky you know? For example, what if a majority vote in CORRUPTION as a preferred way of life? Or stealing from others? Or oppressing the minorities and the weak? Of course I mean democratically, with majority approval.

Also, since you and others have decide that the majority of the people are BAD, how could they be trusted to vote in or support something GOOD? And even if they did vote in something good, how could you be sure it is not merely for show? And like the bad people they are, how could you be sure they will not start degrading it from day one?

It seems to me here that there is a big flaw in your concept of democracy. There is a big fallacy.

But what is it? Think about it Rajen.

If some monority opposes, you can always play desi-demokresi.

*** This comment further demonstrates and accentuates the fact that the concept of democracy that you throw around is fallacious and flawed. It is a double whammy.

Question now is if you realize what you are missing. I know you are eminently able to figure out where the fallacies lie. I also think you wrote what you did on a knee-jerk response, without thinking things thru. But just so you don't leave everyone guessing, perhaps you will retract and explain, what you missed here.

Don't worry, we won't think of you as untrustworthy or any such thing. We all slip sometime. The trick here is to be able to correct ourselves when we figure out, or are shown, what the mistakes are.

It is the ability to learn from ones mistakes that separates one from the incorrigible, like operators of desi-demokrasy often are.

Take care.

c

Rajen

----- Original Message -----

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:25 AM

Subject: Re: [Assam] It takes a village

Kamal:

My guess is that most, if not all, of the Assam net advocates of desi-
demokrasy would accept a Singapore style democratic republic, even though
they might not be able to do so in these discussions, primarily for face saving
considerations :-).

But it is not hard to imagine that there will be a period of transition of a few
months, even years--two, three--maybe even five, which could cause
displeasure, even suffering, particularly to those who have gotten used to
their comfortable dispensations aquired under the present state of anarchy
and oligarchy.

c-da

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 2005/05/18 Wed PM 11:20:26 EDT
> To: Assam@pikespeak.uccs.edu
> Subject: [Assam] It takes a village
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Cd,
That's why I wrote " This is not to say that such actions can be yoked to religion itself".

You are right.Just forty years ago, Singapore was a war-battered British port,which had rapidly growing,poor,uneducated population living in slums and households.Singapore struggled along until 1965,when it became an independent nation with prime minister Yew in firm control.Forty years later,75% of families,the previous slum-dwellers own their homes.Despite a few harsh measures ( eg,forced savings),Singaporeans are happy with their paternalistic government.
KJD

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