Somehow I fail to understand, how without this
"cloning" (in a sovereign entity) this is going to be
any different. 

The "cloning" effect not only touches the GOA,
evidently it touches the militants and the
intellectuals as well.

Nothing selective about this cloning effect in Assam. 




--- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >If 'cloning' was the problem, how is that we don't
> read about stark
> >examples from other states?
> 
> *** That is because you are selective about what you
> want to read or 
> hear, Ram. In fact this kind of thing is the rule
> and not the 
> exception. But I will be sure to post something 
> like this for your 
> info., when I come across one.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 4:35 PM -0500 6/10/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >C'da,
> >
> >>  *** Incisive, steel trap minded observation Ram.
> >
> >Thanks for the compliment, though throughly
> undeserving.
> >
> >>Goes to prove, once again, that the Assamese are
> unfit to govern themselves.
> >
> >That is your unique way of gross generalizations.
> No, I was only
> >referring to the GOA. The Assamese (people) were in
> fact the victims.
> >
> >It is the GOA that is not able to govern. A
> situation like this where
> >someone is held in Tezpur for 58 years, never
> produced for trial - ie
> >the individual was basically forgotten by the GOA.
> And its not just
> >one case, there were 5.
> >
> >It is no use saying that the GOA has learned this
> from the Center,
> >because I seriously doubt, if you will find such
> cases in other
> >states, where prisoners and inmates are forgotten
> by the authorities
> >to fall between the cracks and ignored for
> eternity.
> >
> >If 'cloning' was the problem, how is that we don't
> read about stark
> >examples from other states? Wern't they also cloned
> in the GOI's
> >image.
> >
> >--Ram
> >
> >On 6/10/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>  >  >And in the end, as usual, it took an outside
> body (the NHRC) to point
> >>  >this out to the GOA.
> >>
> >>
> >>  *** Incisive, steel trap minded observation Ram.
> Goes to prove, once
> >>  again, that the Assamese are unfit to govern
> themselves.
> >>
> >>  But of course the system of justice of
> desi-demokrasy and the Assam
> >>  Govt cloned in the likeness of Indian Govt. has
> nothing to do with
> >>  anything.
> >>
> >>  Hurricane force spinning Ram, that is what is
> :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  At 3:27 PM -0500 6/10/05, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >>  >C'da,
> >>  >
> >>  >This is indeed shocking and really disturbing.
> I am little confused by
> >>  >the term 'under-trial'. Are these people
> awaiting a trial, once they
> >>  >are held mentally competent to do so?
> >>  >
> >>  >In any case this is just horrible.
> >>  >
> >>  >>   NHRC has come upon a case of five
> undertrials who have spent decades
> >>  >>  in jail
> >>  >
> >>  >This is a serious blot on successive
> governments in Assam, the local
> >>  >administration of mental institutions etc.
> >>  >
> >>  >And in the end, as usual, it took an outside
> body (the NHRC) to point
> >>  >this out to the GOA. If they did not, the GOA,
> would have never have
> >>  >on their own to either point this out or take
> steps to remedy it.
> >>  >
> >>  >--Ram
> >>  >
> >>  >On 6/10/05, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>  >>  Torture that goes beyond madness
> >>  >>
> >>  >>  TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, JUNE 10, 2005
> 09:03:45 PM ]
> >>  >>  Surf 'N' Earn -Sign innow
> >>  >>  NEW DELHI: If any proof of the complete
> failure of criminal justice
> >>  >>  system was needed, here are not one but five
> examples.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>   NHRC has come upon a case of five
> undertrials who have spent decades
> >>  >>  in jail. One of them has spent 54 years in
> jail, while the other four
> >>  >>  have prison experience of more than three
> decades each.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>   All are now inmates of a mental hospital in
> Tezpur.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>   An upset commission on Friday asked
> inspector general (prisons),
> >>  >>  Assam, and the state's chief secretary to
> respond within two weeks.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>   The matter was reported to the commission
> by its rapporteur Chaman
> >>  >>  Lal who visited the hospital on March 31 and
> April 1.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>   While all cases are shocking, the worst is
> the plight of Machang
> >>  >>  Lalung, now 77, who has been an undertrial
> for 54 years. The others
> >>  >>  are Khalilur Rehman, who has spent 35 years
> there, Anil Kumar Burman,
> >>  >>  who has been there for 33 years, Sonamani
> Deb, for 32 years, and
> >>  >>  Parbati Mallik, who has been in the mental
> asylum for 32 years.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>   Lalung now works in the hospital garden
> without communicating 
> >>with anybody.
> >  > >>
> >>  >>  The medical superintendent has stated that
> he is not on any
> >>  >>  psychotropic medicine for several years and
> is free of any active
> >>  >>  signs of mental illness. Despite that,
> Lalung has not been produced
> >>  >>  in the trial court after August 9, 1967.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>   Similarly, Rehman has been in the judicial
> custody since 1963 and
> >>  >>  continues to be in judicial custody despite
> being declared fit.
> >>  >>  Burman also remained at the institute
> despite being fit to be
> >>  >>  discharged from April 20, 1974.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>   Deb's case is equally shocking. He was
> admitted to the hospital in
> >>  >>  1972 at the age of 16 years. A destitute, he
> was found 'not guilty'
> >>  >>  on account of being insane at the time of
> crime. NHRC said the
> >>  >>  information available does not indicate the
> present status of his
> >>  >>  mental illness and the steps taken for his
> rehabilitation in case he
> >>  >>  is fit for discharge.
> >>  >>
> >>  >>   Mallik was admitted in 1977 when she was
> 21. According to the
> >>  >>  information available with NHRC, she was
> charged with murder of her
> >>  >>  mother. Her case could have been decided if
> she was released earlier
> >>  >> 
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