*** But you have the ability, or so one might hope, to set the record
straight. If I am distorting your views, spinning, why not tell everyone HOW
?
People hope lot of things. ULFA hope that
GOI will grant Independence. For its position also, ULFA has to distort lot of
views. In some case it is better not to try to set the record right when you
find that it does not serve any purpose. In such case we have a saying:
Betonit poril ow, baxudebaye
nomoh.
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:18
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Sunil Nath in
Tehelka
At 7:48 AM -0500 6/30/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
You are again violating
the basic garden variety type logic and trying to spin.
*** But you have the ability, or so one might hope, to set the record
straight. If I am distorting your views, spinning, why not tell everyone HOW
?
Bye
Bye.
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ;
[email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Sunil Nath in Tehelka
>It must be our desi gene
that I cannot understand you
*** I won't necessarily debate the point.
>But if you question
the very basis and legitimacy of such demands
*** That was in reference to your assertions.
>I had been voicing for
such a platform for a long time.
*** You are the one who asserted with 'logical' analysis that
ULFA had no basis for its demands or grievances for which it took up
arms.
Then you turned around to recommend an alternative to ULFA to
negotiate with GoI, when talk of ULFA/GoI talks seemed like a possibility.
I know you have company, but it was amusing. Even people like Shantikam
Hazarika and Dainik Asom Editors see no point in negotiations
between the ULFA and GoI. That is from some of Assam's best among its
movers and shakers.
If Assam had no grievances, no legitimate demands, then how
come all of a sudden an alternative forum is required to negotiate with
GoI ? You may not agree with ULFA's methods, but that is entirely
different from Assam not having legitimate grievances, including that of
self-determination. Something that its intelligentsia and its political
class raised in the image of and beholden to the degenerated Indian system
and accountable to none, failed to address, leading to the emergence of
ULFA. That was what I wrote about when you proposed it and Ram rah-rahed
it a few days back.
What is the rationale here that I missed, other than seeming
to try to have it both ways?
At 11:07 PM -0500 6/29/05, Barua25 wrote:
>But this
whole thing is predicated upon whether there IS a problem, whether Assam
has any legitimate grievances or
demands.
I think you may call it my
desi gene. I donot understand what you are trying to say here. I think
Roy's whole proposition was to come up with a set of alternate practical
demands for negotiation with GOI. But if you question the very
basis and legitimacy of such demands, and an Assamese suspects
that Assam may not have any legitimate demands at all, then how one
will negotiate with GOI and on what basis GOI will grant anything
to Assam. Without your knowledge you are also making ULFA's
sacrice and their struggle for the last 25 years a Hobo Diok type of big
joke for Assam. You are saying something like Tarun Gogoi who is
saying now that there is no problem of illegal immigration problem in
Assam. The question is how then you support Roy in his proposal to
come up with a set of alternate demands. Are you suggesting that someone
should again come up a set of alternate demands purely on emotion like
ULFA did 25 years ago.
It must be our desi gene
that I cannot understand you
I say Hobo
Diok.
Rajen
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:06
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Sunil Nath in
Tehelka
But this whole thing is predicated upon whether there IS a
problem, whether Assam has any legitimate grievances or
demands.
Those who cannot acknowledge that to begin with, cannot
possibly embark on developing those demands to bring to the table with
GoI, can they? If they do, they would be some of those despicable
characters that attempt to have it both ways.
At 9:55 PM -0500 6/29/05, Barua25 wrote:
>If
forces outside the ULFA want to influence the terms of negotiation
and get their ideas about what a secondary set of >demands ought
to be, they ought to go about forming public opinion on this
independently of the ULFA and hope the >organization will echo
them in their own political interest.
I agree in principle to
this idea. In fact I had been voicing for such a platform for a
long time. This we may call the Assam-GOI platform, outside of
the ULFA-GOI box (virtually ignoring ULFA). This is a
must for the Hobo Diok Assamese whether there is ULFA or not. The
idea is to come up with a set of sensible legitimate and
rational demands for Assam which ULFA itself cannot raise on
technical grounds. For obvious reasons, ULFA cannot (and should not)
enter this platform during the negotiation phase for reasons pointed
out by you. (It would
be incredibly stupid if the leaders of the ULFA were to say we want
independence for Assam and, by the way, lets also talk about handing
over the rights to oil extraction to the state
government.). In fact ULFA
should understand that this Assam-GOI platform is going to discuss
issues which ULFA cannot on its own discuss or negotiate due to the
position they are taking. This way ULFA can achieve something
without loosing face. Once GOI has agreed to grant some
agreed broad issues to Assam through this Assam-GOI
discussions, ULFA can later join the platform activley in
finalization of details.
Now the question is
what may be a set of such demands. This is not easy that one can
just come up with a list. It will need indepth study of Assam's
onging problems. I am really surprised that so far there has not
been any such platform among the Assamese population for discussion
of these problems. Even among the political parties there is no
such discussions. Frankly speaking this means that we donot
know what we want for Assam short of
sovereignty.
In order to quantify
what we want and why we want we need to discuss among
ourselves, intellectually and rationally, so that we can decide what
is in Assam's best interest short of sovereignty and short of trying
to throw the Indian system out.
Rajen
Barua
.
----- Original Message
-----
From: "Roy, Santanu"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005
9:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Assam] Sunil Nath
in Tehelka
> I think one should not
forget the logical contradiction between demanding sovereignty and
making public a set of supplementary demands. This holds no matter
how unlikely or unrealistic the event that the GOI is going to agree
to grant independence. Sovereignty is virtually all encompassing. It
would be incredibly stupid if the leaders of the ULFA were to say we
want independence for Assam and, by the way, lets also talk about
handing over the rights to oil extraction to the state
government.
> Even if the ULFA leadership is not Harvard
trained, they have at least shown the intelligence to not say
something like that.
> If forces outside the ULFA want to
influence the terms of negotiation and get their ideas about what a
secondary set of demands ought to be, they ought to go about forming
public opinion on this independently of the ULFA and hope the
organization will echo them in their own political interest. But
they should not expect that at this stage (and even many stages
ahead), the ULFA is going to go around publicly voicing the details
of their minimum acceptable point.
>
Santanu.
>
>
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