Mnyb;574398 Wrote: > You actually did more work than you think in that regard, you chosed to > test something, that we know is different and it does influence the > signal coming out of your system. the 16/44.1 signal IS different than > the 24/96 signal and DAC's do measure better with 24/96 conditions > noise is lower etc. > So you tested something that is verified by countless reliable > measurements by others. > > So we already know that there is a difference . > > You wanted to to try to hear that difference for ourself. > > <snip> > > Cables are a can of worms in that that they obvuisly are in the signal > path. > And ofcourse have an measurable impact on the signal, All measuring in > "normal" systems shows that the difference is very small lower than all > known thresholds of human hearing. AND controlled listening tests= > subjektive but with the power of double blinding and statistics, seems > to conclude that this is the case . > So the "normal" 1m signal cable case is "done" by now. > > <snip> >
Cannot resist making a couple of clarifying comments... Yes we know that there is some difference between 96/24 and 44/16, but this is also true for cables. The question is whether the difference--since it should be very small in both cases--is audible. Why you are convinced that any cable in any system will definitely not be audible, but 96/24 might be I find inconsistent. Definitely I do not consider the cable case to be "done" and decided in the negative for all situations. Give me links to the testing you think establishes this as a "fact" and I bet I can proceed to pick apart every single one of those tests as having flaws that I consider serious. People keep talking about using subjective listening tests to pick "the better" of two components, but if that is the way people are doing subjective testing or thinking that everyone is doing it, I believe they are wrong. The way I do subjective testing is by trying to identify a different characteristic of sound reproduction that I can hear repeatedly as I switch back and forth. E.g., I listen to a track with particularly good recording of cymbals and see if at certain points I am able to hear a difference--and I have to be able to hear it reliably and repeatedly. The notion that subjective testing has to involve popping in the new $2000 wondercable and within minutes proclaiming it fabulous is just rubbish. Only a moron would proceed like that! Apparently you "anti-audiophiles" believe all audiophiles are morons and are doing stupid tests, but I can assure you that we are definitely not (all) morons. :] Deciding whether a component improves your sound quality and musical enjoyment should be a secondary question--after you have established that you can reliably hear a difference that you can characterize. This is the part of subjective listening where listeners most often disagree. We have often done separate listenings and then compared notes. Now one person might say one component had extended highs while another says too bright, but clearly they are both hearing a perception of increased highs/brightness. Whether or not that is good will of course depend on how bright your system already is, what your hearing is like, what kind of music you listen to, etc. To give an example: I have been comparing two different interconnects between my preamp and power amp for the last week. These are both like 20 year old "hi-end" cables, that I already own, and I frankly do not remember what I have decided about them previously since it has been quite a while since I have done any listening tests with them. So not much bias here--whichever one sounds better I will use. Well I definitely hear a difference, but I cannot really say which is "better." One definitely improves cymbals (the system is a bit soft there now), but makes female vocals sound too dry and midbass sound too strong/bloated. I have gone back and forth with these cables for a week and keep hearing the same differences. Of course on some recordings one sounds "better," but on other recordings the other sounds "better." -- ncarver ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ncarver's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15905 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81616 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
