Wombat wrote: > Wow, just wow! It is really embarrassing to see some well-known snake > oilers trying to force CA logic upon another place in the WBF thread. > Beforehead conflicts aside Armir really must have balls of steel to > offer measurements of this product and standing to it. To some of his > business he may be a snitch now. > Archimago would have done also for sure but now even someone from the > dark side... > I hope parts of that business want to distance themself from the growing > count of bad business coming up relying on only gullibility. > I hope this gets followers and more ask for facts instead of blind faith > based following in some technical term spinning prophets.
What an amazing thread indeed Wombat! I'm generally a nice guy, but sometimes it's best to be blunt. IMO many of the posters are either -honest and delusional-, lacking perspective on what the results are saying or truly -psychopathic- in their attack for what Amir is demonstrating. "Everything in the book" is being thrown at the defense of the Regen (interestingly not so much for the JitterBug). Allegations that this is "not science", that he's "measuring the wrong thing", pompous comments from well-known outspoken audiophiles clearly more talk than reality-testing ability... Amazing that they criticize a simple FFT of a 12kHz tone showing that the Regen technically made the DAC output imperceptibly worse using an expensive AP machine when admittedly Swenson/UpTone doesn't even have one of those measurement devices according to one of "SuperDad"'s posts! For all the charges leveled against Amir, we see absolutely NOTHING on offer from these Regen -apologists-! Nothing but cliche allegations of "measuring the wrong thing", or "there are things we can hear but not measurable", etc... (Seriously folks, suppose we did unsighted listening, when was the last time you heard a DAC that sounded terrible to most people but measured really well on modern test batteries!? This ain't the 70's!) I think others have already said it well here. Some of these people seem to be living on a planet orbiting a different sun, see the world through lenses of a much different prescription, apparently is governed by different laws of physics and technology that look the same but based on different principles of operation! This is why I often use the term -*testimony*-. These debates are built on ideologies akin to subjective "religious" grounds rather than rational discussion and reality-based arguments. When faced with measurements like Amir's, the automatic assumption is that the results are wrong rather than look at themselves and ask whether they are -sure -of their own impressions. And this is assuming they are honest rather than consciously in defense of financial opportunity! Unless there is something Swenson can show, it's rather clear that theoretically, the Regen can achieve nothing for a modern asynchronous USB DAC... Remember, it's a -one-port USB hub-. At best, maybe reduction of data line and power supply noise (for USB-powered DACs especially, but Amir already used the Meridian Explorer), and maybe jitter reduction for old isochronous adaptive USB DACs. The rest seem to be pseudoscience gibberish "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". I remind myself often though that we are reading the ravings of a very small group of audio lovers out there... Also realize that there is inherent -selection bias- among the few in this world who would know about the Regen in the first place and bother spending money on this thing. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104340 _______________________________________________ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
