Tim
I agree that advertorials should certainly be identified as such.
I also accept that "those same pilots would probably have done equally well in
other equipment" is possibly correct and reasonable.
But for the representative of a competing brand to say that those same 3
placegetters "would have flown a brick to 1st place" is ridiculous and partisan.
And similarly for someone else to state that the only reason the ASG29's won
was that the rest of the field were blaniks is denigrating to the place
getters, the ASG29 and the other competitors.
I can understand why some of the Ventus owners are getting a but towy, though.
Regards Geoff (Schleicher customer .... but not an ASG29, unfortunately)
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Shirley
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
In the interests of free speech, I do not believe that this group should have
a moderator.
However, I think it would be appropriate for those with a vested interest in
a particular product to make that interest clear when posting on this list (and
when writing articles in Soaring Australia) especially when they are praising
or promoting the products they sell.
I have no objection to this list being used to advertise (that is free
speech, as well), but I would like to know that it IS an advertisement. In the
case of Soaring Australia, I also believe that blatantly promotional articles
should be paid for just like any other advertisement.
While many of us know who is who in the zoo, there will be those who don't.
Perhaps, if these people choose not to declare their interest, another member
of the list could "out" them :)
I don't think anyone doubts that the ASG29 is a "good thing". It was only
suggested that those same pilots would probably have done equally well in other
equipment.
Cheers
Tim ("written by Tim Shirley for the LS1D owners association of australia.
Vote 1 LS1D")
Geoff Kidd wrote:
Luke's note must be either HILARIOUSLY funny amongst those that are in the
know ............. or alternatively it could, just possibly, look like it is in
poor taste to those that aren't rolling around in mirth.
This group might need a moderator to keep competing sailplane salesmen
under control.
Bernard's post congratulated the 3 pilots involved, so what is Luke's line
1 all about?
Why is it so hard to accept that the ASG29 just might be a pretty good
thing?
----- Original Message -----
From: Luke Dodd
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Australia.
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
I am sure the pilots had nothing to do with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The three pilots concerned could fly a brick to first place!!!!
Luke Dodd
----- Original Message -----
From: nandrews
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Looks like the handicap needs to be adjusted then Bernard if they are
that good, what would you suggest 1 or 2 percent? This should happen before the
nationals to be fair to the others
Nigel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future
Aviation Pty. Ltd.
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 10:29 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Hi Simon
I can see that you are trying to spice up this newsgroup. Good try -
good on you!!!
In all seriousness, Simon, having three ASG 29 in the comp and having
all three pilots
on the podium is by no means an isolated case. It has happened at
various Nationals
in Europe and America and is one of many reasons why the ASG 29 is
widely regarded
as the top ship in 18m class these days.
Especially in countries like Australia its spectacular performance in
high speed cruise
makes the glider attractive. Not even the very best of today’s open
class ships can stay
with it and it doesn’t seem to matter whether the aircraft has
developed spar bumps or
not.
But don’t take my word for it and talk to Butch. He has just placed his
second order
for an ASG 29(E) – number sixteen (16) in my sales territory.
On another matter, are you coming to the Waikerie coaching week in
January?
Your confirmation would be appreciated!
Kind regards
Bernard Eckey
FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD.
10 Antigua Grove
West Lakes 5021
Adelaide / South Australia
Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871
mobile 0412 981204
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simon
holding
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 8:14 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
So Bernard, what would you put it down to? J
Simon
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future
Aviation Pty. Ltd.
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 6:51 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Hi all
I didn’t want to contradict Adam before the final results were out but
I hope I can
be forgiven for stating that only three ASG 29 competed but finished
first, second
and third.
Congratulations to Graham, Hank and Mac.
Adam, the fastest speed of the comp was done by Mac flying an ASG 29.
Bernard Eckey
FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD.
10 Antigua Grove
West Lakes 5021
Adelaide / South Australia
Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam
Woolley
Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 9:14 PM
To: aus soaring
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Not sure if Westy was pulling my leg or not, but he had said that a
V2cx did 180km/hr over the task!
Sounds like it's either the 'biggest ever...' aus soaring day, or the
VENTUS 2CX is just a WICKED glider!!
Wonder how many have pulled out of the comp to try for the 1000 or
record flights?
WPP
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> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:27:51 +1100
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
>
> The had practice day on Sunday.
>
> There are plenty of flies to eat.
>
> The new Duo X has won a day or two.
>
> Macca has won.
>
> Forgot who the other winners were.
>
> They have a huge day today 400 - 500 km task.
>
> Mal
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